How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction

[casero]

For curiosity, what's the OC's weakness?

[globalplayer-svk]

I forgot to mention.

ZTC roleplayed the destruction of Freeport 9's biodomes. The entire Zoner player base the went along with it. Or maybe some of them didn't. Whatever.

Bottom line is:

Zoners RPed the destruction of their domes in FP9 and FP15.
So now my question turns to others. What have Corsair players done in exchange?

bluespawn.... well how to say it..

what have they done in exchange?

what have zoners maked in exchange when corsairs asked to remove docking rights to ships attacking gamma?
what have zoners makedi n exchange when they corsairs started to hiring other parties to deliver food
what have .......
this can continue until end of all days and the same it can continue from zoner side in line
what maked corsairs in exchange....

and it is really nice that zoners roleplayed the destroyed biodomes but
a: noone asked for that it was will of zoners...
b: in thread right above this is zoner roleplaying how invincible are shields of freeport.... miracle that before they colapsed after much smaller damage was taken and now can theysurvive hits by 20 mortars from 10 battleships at once?....
(and i am still not happy that you posted the screens and you know why...:))
you know how this will end when we all start in line.
we maked this, waht you maked in exchange...

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[globalplayer-svk]

For curiosity, what's the OC's weakness?

i think it is cardamine... without it they will die...
in example put outcast to prison without cardi, he die... hold him somewhere without cardi long enough and he die....

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[Syrus]

I have fought in many different places, with different factions against different factions.
IMG/CR vs OC, RM vs LN, Bret vs Kus, ... vs Pirates, Order vs LN / BHG, "Pirate" vs LN / others, etc. etc.
And of course. Corsairs vs Zoners, as a Zoner.
But the last one is different. Completly different.

This all started with some yelling of "yalalalalblabla" and "Let's shoot some Zoners". And those attackers forgetting about their other six wars. (If you count KNF, which actually should be hostile to you, though not in a state of war...mh...maybe very unfriendly at least, seven.) They fight against Red Hessians and Allies / SCRA, against Outcasts, against Bretonia, against GMG, against Rheinland, against BHG (though this war is currently "on hold")...Did I miss someone?
Well ok - I can see how Bretonia is busy, but you still want Cambridge, don't you? Would be far better than a lousy Freeport. Rheinland isn't attacking your territory and you aren't really attacking Rheinland. The GMG shouldn't be left unnoted - you may remember them beating Rheinland in the 80 year-war. And the BHG has a truce with you.
But you still got the Red Hessians, the SCRA and the Outcasts attacking you on at least two sides.
And then you start attacking your supporters?

And even when they RP'd with you - even RPing their stations getting damaged ... what did you do?

I know you got reasons to attack Zoners in Theta - would have happened on the long term. But that would probably take some YEARS, your wars would have to settle first. YES you got a military might, but iRP it should be occupied with attacking OC, SCRA, RH, GMG, Bret, etc etc...

Ah...I feel like I'm repeating the stuff all over again. Well...

You may RP all you want. But what you RP is the same as I would start RPing some ship coming from Earth to Sirius. It makes no sense. That's my opinion about that war. You aren't Germany in the '40s, who just decided they haven't had enough enemies.

Imo the moment when you can start attacking Zoners without "harming yourself" won't come in this mod, without you getting some supply-lines running and at least a neutral status to one of the houses (and not only their not-really-criminals). And that would require not just some "sneaky Samura transports bringing you food".

(I won't even start to mention something about FUEL for your ships...that's something other factions would have problems with too...Everyone seems to keep forgetting that fact.)

So yes, I said it a thousand times in a thousand different ways, why I think this war isn't possible iRP.



I think I can remember seeing some Corsair wreck, I think it was somewhere around O-50...It said something about that Corsair attacking Zoners and being killed by Corsairs for doing so. If I have time to look for it, and I find it, I may quote it here. Anyone please explain to me, how the situation would change that quickly, when I find it.


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And I must add one fact many of you are forgetting...
We are all playing this game for fun. We are all players, equal, all playing the same game.
Some for other reasons than others, but still for fun, since it's our free time we are investing into that game.
Remember that fact. And think about it, before your actions. Think about your behaviour towards other players.
Keep RP in RP.

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[DAnvilFan]

and it is really nice that zoners roleplayed the destroyed biodomes but
a: noone asked for that it was will of zoners...
b: in thread right above this is zoner roleplaying how invincible are shields of freeport.... miracle that before they colapsed after much smaller damage was taken and now can theysurvive hits by 20 mortars from 10 battleships at once?....
(and i am still not happy that you posted the screens and you know why...:))
you know how this will end when we all start in line.
we maked this, waht you maked in exchange...

Zoners roleplayed the crippling of a base. The players. Not the development team. The players.

You can tell me a thousand things but you cannot tell me how Corsairs have crippled themselves in an equal manner.

Which Corsair base has been half destroyed in RP as a result of attacks by Outcasts, RHA, Bretonians, SCRA, and Bounty Hunters as a result of something that players decided?

Mmm?

I remember the day it happened and the decision was made. We agreed that it would be an interesting turn of events in the storyline even if it meant "self-nerf." You may not consider the RP-imaginary concept of a Freeport losing it's biodomes since nothing really changes game mechanic wise.

But so what. Food production was the essense of those Freeports lore wise. Not just for Crete. I am talking for Zoners. How many players can say they have done something similar in order to create a dynamic story?

Weaknesses? Nobody had weakened their NPC faction more than TAZ, OSI, and ZTC. Many Zoners were even in the process of getting Gran Canaria ret-conned and nerfed so that Zoners wouldn't be that strong. The official factions even pushed toward restricting Zoner battleships. And no, not to keep them all to themselves. OSI had 1 gunboat. ZTC had 1 Carrier (a Zephyr, so it wasn't even Zoner).

Don't talk to me about Zoner weaknesses.

[BaconSoda]

by your own canon, he was corsair military so of course he had vows there, the normal corsair citizen wouldn't have the same vows.

"captured as a young corsair on his first mission to the inner house systems"

meaning military. Thus my point still stands.

Excuse me, I thought this was common knowledge. They train every Corsair born as a soldier, which means all Corsairs take the Corsair vows.

You might do well to read through the Vanilla rumors and familiarize yourself with canon, as well as reading the news articles on the bases before screaming wolf about something which is well justified.

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You can tell me a thousand things but you cannot tell me how Corsairs have crippled themselves in an equal manner.

And who says they have to? It's a player choice, and it's an RP decision. Regardless of what other people do, why not just keep RPing and stay the course if you know your own RP is sound? Play the game knowing what you do is right and RPing to the best of your ability. I promise you'll have more fun that way.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Ayem]

That reminds me, I've not seen a zoner talk about NFZs since I got back. Were they phased out or something?

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[Teek]

And who says they have to? It's a player choice, and it's an RP decision. Regardless of what other people do, why not just keep RPing and stay the course if you know your own RP is sound? Play the game knowing what you do is right and RPing to the best of your ability. I promise you'll have more fun that way.

so roughly translated. your e-peen is bigger so you shouldn't have to worry that the other side is trying to give in on some points. Corsairs are bigger and better so everyone should just give in without expecting them to meet half way.

An rp war starts. a FAKE war. both sides could continue endlessly because they aren't losing anything when they die. they can just come back and next time make sure they out number the other guys.

Corsairs decide your bored and so attack an ally. zoners meet you halfway and say biodomes are destroyed and some decent rp ensues. Time for the corsairs to meet the zoners halfway and put the e-peen away.

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[Shryke]

Teek, I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about. It's been explained countless times in many threads how there is solid RP reasoning behind why the Corsairs are doing what they are doing, both from in-game actions and from vanilla rumors. Just because you're late to the party doesn't mean anyone is obliged to explain it again just for you. Either educate yourself on the matter or don't bother with your incendiary posts.

As for crippling the Freeport, that was entirely your decision. No, Corsairs don't need to do the same because there is no reason for them to do that. There was no reason for Zoners to do it either, but they did it and as a result had a lot of player driven roleplay, from other Zoners and factions delivering aid to Synth Foods reconstructing the biodomes. So really, who is at a loss?

Also, I'm entirely against this notion that Freeports with biodomes are food producing machines. I don't see how they are anything more than greenhouses, and I would wager they are to feed the population on the station first and sell the excess second. BlueSpawn, I think you're very mistaken in your belief that the essence of a Freeport is food production.

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[dodike]

For curiosity, what's the OC's weakness?

Dependence on Cardamine

put the e-peen away.

This can not be done, not now, not ever.