How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction

[DarthBindo]

Freeport 5's support consists of one person. Your claim on that matter is on par with stating that the Zoner community is fractured on this score because Dancing Bears supports the Corsairs.

And no one else from freeport 5 has stepped forward. Soo.....a vote of one is a majority.

Official faction support:
OSI: Stygian who has vanished, hence not carrying on with diplomacy. AFAIK other OSI members, or those I have spoken with, have voted to carry on with the banning due to being shot up by Corsair war parties.

Go check the communication boards now.

Omicroners: When they're not placing bounties on other Zoners they're trying to start a war.

Truth. Thou speakest it.

TAZ: The TAZ have balked and avoided this whole affair since the word go. The only presence of any kind they have is Doc Holliday who's participated in no meaningful way. Again, afaik, they're trying to get their own ID to drop out of Zoner issues entirely.

yeah....Thats what we are saying....They are not supporting Freeport 9.
Also, Malpacolypse showed up two days ago, and asked to talk to Zelot. Not sure if that happened tho.

One of the Corsair's, thusly your, positions is that the Zoners are annoyingly fractured. Therefor there must be war.

Yes...beacuse we cant get a straight answer, that doesnt get nullfied by someone else.

Your postion, therefor the Corsairs', is that treating the Zoners as a unified body is a source of trouble.

Beacuse we have no beef with the non theta zoners, and we dont want to force them to support Freeport 9.

Many things here are being misrepresented or misconstructed. I find it worrysome.

Truth, but not in the case of zoner differentiation or support.
I don't know of any group (besides the Outcasts) Who are militarily supporting Freeport 9 and teh Omicroners. its possible there are groups, but they havent come forward yet, so they dont matter..yet.
As for the differentiation between zoner groups, they are all annoyingly fractured.
On the local level, the residents of the Nine and the Omicroners fracturing presents problems for any form of diplomacy.
However, on the Sirius wide level, teh fracturing of Zoners into local bands helps by keeping other Zoners out of this conflict.
Do you see now?

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[Not Espi]

it is a fact, just a historical one :cool:

HOLY SH- you deleted your post dusty?

[Dusty Lens]

instead of taking my comments individually without any context, you would see that.

If you do not wish for your points to be considered on their own merits do not make them.

HOLY SH- you deleted your post dusty?

Merged?

Do you see now?

No. I didn't understand anything that you said.

Though OSI's latest comm was news to me. I missed that one. Color me surprised. Though I'd dare say Stygian failed in his assumed role by dropping the ball on the discussions when they might have meant something.

[Zelot]

If you do not wish for your points to be considered on their own merits do not make them.



Merged?

If you cant see the difference between something being one of many causes of a situation, and that it is the sole reason for war then you have some issues.

Youre making a completely semantic argument, and I think most people see it for what it is.

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[Dusty Lens]

If you cant see the difference between something being one of many causes of a situation, and that it is the sole reason for war then you have some issues.

If you can't see the difference between responding to an argument point by point instead of trying to tackle a rambling whole then you smell funny and have hair coming out of your ears.

Youre making a completely semantic argument, and I think most people see it for what it is.

Of course I'm making a semantic argument. This entire thread is dedicated to the discussion of meanings.

[DarthBindo]

Ehemmm. thats what i did. And then you responded to the rambling whole......

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[Zelot]

If you can't see the difference between responding to an argument point by point instead of trying to tackle a rambling whole then you smell funny and have hair coming out of your ears.

The problem with taking it point by point without context is you can never get a full view of whats going on. My point was that this was one of the reasons for the situation, and your response was "One of the Corsair's, thusly your, positions is that the Zoners are annoyingly fractured. Therefor there must be war." Yes, I guess I can see how you got that if you looked at only a single part of a sentence out of an entire post, but if you had read the whole thing you would see how wrong you are. What you are trying to do is sniping. Picking one comment or part of a comment out of a larger thing, and trying to use it without context to discredit the entire argument, when you know if you discussed the same comment in the context of the larger post, you would not be able to make the easy argument you are trying to make.

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[Dusty Lens]

The problem with taking it point by point without context is you can never get a full view of whats going on. My point was that this was one of the reasons for the situation, and your response was "One of the Corsair's, thusly your, positions is that the Zoners are annoyingly fractured. Therefor there must be war." Yes, I guess I can see how you got that if you looked at only a single part of a sentence out of an entire post, but if you had read the whole thing you would see how wrong you are. What you are trying to do is sniping. Picking one comment or part of a comment out of a larger thing, and trying to use it without context to discredit the entire argument, when you know if you discussed the same comment in the context of the larger post, you would not be able to make the easy argument you are trying to make.

I guess if it'll make you feel more comfortable I'll quote your entire reply every time and then respond to it piece by piece, ala n00bl3t. It wastes a lot of forum space but I wouldn't want you to feel as though your arguments look flat when you tackle them block by block.

Wastes a lot of real estate though.

Though I'll still be able to easily make the same arguments.

[Syrus]

@ Syrus
Well I'm not sure you understand me or that maybe, I misunderstood Mr J (which I am happy to accept) but in any event, I am referring to the constant quip about Corsairs need food all the time above all or anything else.
Being called cannibals, like they get called sterile so often gets a tad...uninspiring. I just assumed it was the same for him as well.

Disclaimer:- I could be wrong here and I apologise in advance to him if thats not the case.

As I said - I'm moving on thin ice there. Since maybe I misunderstood you or interpreted things into what you said, which weren't exactly there. It was supposed to be a bit "over interpreting" or however you want to call it.

But about Corsairs and that only being about Freeport 9 ... well, I recall there being an attack on Freeport 1 as well and something about bounties on every Zoner and all that. So, how should I, being an independent Zoner, not part of any Freeport, "see it as only Freeport 9 (and maybe the Omicroners) being involved"?

I mean, it's pretty hard to tell who you are fighting against down there. And even harder to say where that war ends.

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[DarthBindo]

The freeport 1 thing was not our war.
We were there to fight the NTF, and apparently the zoners helped the NTF.
Also, the bounty on all zoners, was posted by Dodgey. Not us.
Oh and that one got locked.
After a bunch of people complained about it.
Even though it was only claimed...Once.

As for telling who we are fighting, and where it ends...
Why dont you take a trip down there sometime?

or go look at this.

Pretty much.

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