Open up the nomads. Give them to the pew pew crowd.

[Pingu!]

If you really want to do RPing your way, nothing stops you doing that with morph.

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But you either follow our rules here and work with us - or STFU and GTFO.

[Hell Hunter]

To give an example of what was denied already. This was our proposed ID. Note that this was for a trial period, not the definite ID.
We did not get any feedback on it, just that the idea wasn't very good.

I looked at the game IDs
And I noticed Nomad ID with the restrictions that you requested.
maybe they will add it for public but later...

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

I'm a fan of K'hara lore: its a great piece of fiction, but I wouldn't join K'hara, and I think you guys are struggling for a reason that has nothing to do with the rp.

Okay, I've stayed out of this, because (as one of the guys in our skype said) it's not fun when Uncle Carl gets involved.

First off ...

I'm 37, and have been in and out of different rp clubs for 30 years, and: I'm sure this is actually a pretty common sentiment: I wont join a faction where there is a recruitment process, as I find it a direct intrusion upon my rp experience to follow an rp beuaracracy.

I'm 50 years old, and have been playing role playing games longer than you've been alive.
(E-Peen victory, Agmen!)

Stating that your sure something is a common sentiment is a good way to open yourself up to ridicule, because what you've just done is point out that you're smarter and better able to role play than any of the rest of us here.

I will admit that I'm making an assumption here - that you consider role playing games to be different from FPS or TPS games. Otherwise, if you consider playing as Master Chief to be a role-playing computer game, then you have no room to make any comments whatsoever.

Role-playing means that there are common rules. The players don't always get to set up the rules, do they? I can just about imagine you sitting down with a D&D group and saying something to the effect of, 'I don't care about how you've set things up here, I shall play a level 42 vampire paladin because to do otherwise is a direct intrusion upon my rp experience.'

Saying something like that sounds awfully cocky and arrogant, wouldn't you say? Now look at your comments from our perspective. You've just said effectively that. You're better than we are, and you don't care to follow our rules because you find them intrusive. You want a terrorist ID - which enables to you pew anyone, anywhere, anytime - without actually being responsible to learning how such an ID is given. (Which, by the way, is why the admin team won't allow the nomads to be an open faction - they'd sooner completely eliminate the group than allow free roaming terrorist ID's here.)

Oh, and your premise is incorrect. The K|Hara and/or Nomads are not struggling. A struggling faction is one that has a tough time making the 30 hour minimum and 5 player minimum. That is not the case for the K|Hara. The only struggle I see is that you don't want to play by our rules here, and quite frankly, we ain't buying it. You may be the worlds best role-player. (I doubt it - that's on a t-shirt that I wear. :)) But you either follow our rules here and work with us - or STFU and GTFO.

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[FallenKnight]

If you really want to do RPing your way, nothing stops you doing that with morph.

That.

Rmorph you can RP your way with a morph. The general idea of the morphs are to allow the players who are interested to become future nomads to train their ability to RP as a nomad. Its free.
There are three kind of morphs:
- people inspired by the nomads looking to be a nomad and doing their best with the RP
- people who are just interested in some new version of PVP
- people who want to create indie groups with their friends by using ships different than morphs (aka bombers or caps)

I think the server allows it well enough for everyone that is interested to be a nomad to simply...give it a try. The nomads always had the morph which can be considered as Tutorial for the faction. Did phantoms had tutorial? SCRA? Wilders? HF? CR?? No but the nomads had one.

If the nomads didnt had the option to allow the community to try a nomadic RP, then it would be of a problem and probably something would be done. Right now everyone can go and buy morhp and if so much inspired to raid/gank/do lolz OR do normal RP. So here comes 2 cores of morphs

1. Morphs that are serious
2. Morphs that are not serious (for fun)

If you are from the first type, then just sign for the faction. If you like to create indie morph group do so and lets see how the community will take you.

IMHO: The process is convoluted and requires too much homework, and that homework feels like doing someone else's homework.

Too much homework what?
The faction offers training for the morphs. Any morphs interested to join are tested only in their way of RP which leads to approved nomad players able to RP properly. Its not hard and actually its very interesting. Last time when such training happened we were 2 K'Hara and 3 morphs doing a trip together: RP-ing with anyone, giving a chance for the moprhs to learn how to talk, giving them tips what to change and what to keep, and PVP-ing right next to them.
So in short here is what the faction can offer:
- Morph (Tutorial), which is something new and no other closed faction can offer that
- Training, which allows every interested morhp player to learn while doing actions with Khara player
- Recruitment, which if the training is complete, the morph player is fully ready to become a Khara with skills, original RP, creativity and much more. All that will help him and the faction to spread the unique RP all over sirius

If you dont like such kind of treatment and tutorial then what do you want? The only thing I see that I am missing are the nomad ship/equipments. Is that all about?

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[HuggieSunrise]

Damn it Carl you and your damn killshot ruin everything. Next time im just gunna save myself and see if you reply to these threads before I even bother.

[Agmen of Eladesor]

Damn it Carl you and your damn killshot ruin everything. Next time im just gunna save myself and see if you reply to these threads before I even bother.

<blows on fingernails and polishes them on his 'World's Best Role Player' t-shirt>

(Okay, I'm actually wearing my Live Long and Prosper t-shirt at the moment, but you get the visual.)

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[Altaris]

IMHO: The process is convoluted and requires too much homework, and that homework feels like doing someone else's homework. The Keepers page, for example, comes across as a term paper in Nomad lore.

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Too much homework what?
The faction offers training for the morphs. Any morphs interested to join are tested only in their way of RP which leads to approved nomad players able to RP properly. Its not hard and actually its very interesting.

You should reconsider being happy for K'Hara's existence. Back in Keepers day, aplicants were to write down full story of your nomad RP wise.

Now, all you have to do is to prove your nomad RP. And even if you fail, your never outta game.

Fallen is being right on his point. So really... what?

The Nomads aren't different; they still want their sector back, achievable through similar aims. Proof of this is the destruction of Toledo.

You fail Apotheosis. Toledo was destroyed by Core.

Now back to you Rmorph.

This is freelancer - not strings-attached-lancer (understanding and sticking to lore is another thing entirely -- I will do this to the best of my ability).

Yes indeed, and i believe you when you say you'd stick to it. But the problem is.... Would all of those wanting to fly nomad read it? Doubtfully.

Most of them would probably go: "What? i have to read 10 pages to make nom? Ah screw it, it cant be so hard at all." But that is also only my guessing...

Your simply barking on the wrong tree. Those atracted by the all powerfull mindshare (now mirrorshare) should bless Huggie and those alike, for having a comfortable way for all, should they be interested in becomming braineaters.

And why are you barking on the wrong tree?

Because no matter what your arguments are, this HAS been discussed before. Like Pheonix told you already, Yuri proposed an ID like you desire, it got (probably) discussed, and denied afterwards.

Other than that what Crta said

If you really want to do RPing your way, nothing stops you doing that with morph.

also what Agment said

Oh, and your premise is incorrect. The K|Hara and/or Nomads are not struggling. A struggling faction is one that has a tough time making the 30 hour minimum and 5 player minimum. That is not the case for the K|Hara. The only struggle I see is that you don't want to play by our rules here, and quite frankly, we ain't buying it. You may be the worlds best role-player. (I doubt it - that's on a t-shirt that I wear. ) But you either follow our rules here and work with us - or STFU and GTFO.

PS: Appolgies to all for not being very civilized. I just cant deny my deepest feelings. But trust me. Deep down it the shadows of my soul, you'd find some flowers there.

*bark* *bark* *bark* ....

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Carnage itself flying within void...
Proud cardihead ever since 2008...
You all gonna eat cardi!

...also im a troll, so hate me.

[Rmorph]

Okay, I've stayed out of this, because (as one of the guys in our skype said) it's not fun when Uncle Carl gets involved.

My goodness, setting up for quite the vitriolic opinion piece.
Shame if it goes there - it was a good open discussion up until now.

I can tell this is important to you, and you consider your voice important, so I'll attempt to reply to you directly and concisely. I see Darkknight has also answered, but I hope by answering you I can also address his comments.

First off ...
I'm 50 years old, and have been playing role playing games longer than you've been alive.
(E-Peen victory, Agmen!)

We all bring different levels of experience and expectations, was my point... Viva lè difference.

Stating that you're sure something is a common sentiment is a good way to open yourself up to ridicule, because what you've just done is point out that you're smarter and better able to role play than any of the rest of us here.

I see enough people agreeing with me to be pretty certain that I'm not alone, nor entirely mad.
I don't pretend to be better or more experienced - if anything my posts go to great pains describing my limited experience in discovery, and as such I'm trying to provide parallel examples from elsewhere. I used my age and disposition towards rp simply as a counter to those many many comments that suggested that my ideas were motivated by a desire to pew, rather than to enrichen the rp experience.

We can surely both agree that ridicule is out of place, regardless of what's posted, and by whom.

I will admit that I'm making an assumption here - that you consider role playing games to be different from FPS or TPS games. Otherwise, if you consider playing as Master Chief to be a role-playing computer game, then you have no room to make any comments whatsoever.

. I've stated my rp intentions. Check my post history if you're not convinced, I won't try to defend myself further on this point: This sort of thing just comes across as ridicule, which I believe, as stated above, entirely unnecessary

Role-playing means that there are common rules. The players don't always get to set up the rules, do they? I can just about imagine you sitting down with a D&D group and saying something to the effect of, 'I don't care about how you've set things up here, I shall play a level 42 vampire paladin because to do otherwise is a direct intrusion upon my rp experience.'

As I stated previously, I fully respect the need for lore, and for guidance / rules on the greater issues.
Thats how the rest of the server, the rest of the factions, and rest of the player-groups work.

I disagree with micro-management on player behavior (how you talk, where you go, what you think), and I am firmly against locking in a major game-play variant for the convoluted and elitist notions of a few individuals.
Nomad mostly comes across like that - sorry.

The original intention was obviously to maintain a gold-standard for the most belligerent rp choice - and I'm all for that. RP'ing belligerence requires increased sensitivity.

That goal is lost in the burdensome requirements that maintain the elitist sense of self-accomplishment however.

I know this statement comes across as criticism, and I'm sorry for that.
As I said, I deeply respect the fiction and form created for nomads, but I feel it is simply too overbearing as a restriction on an entire mode of play.

K'hara is a perfectly fine standard bearer for Nomads.
It should not be all there is.

Saying something like that sounds awfully cocky and arrogant, wouldn't you say? Now look at your comments from our perspective. You've just said effectively that. You're better than we are, and you don't care to follow our rules because you find them intrusive. You want a terrorist ID - which enables to you pew anyone, anywhere, anytime - without actually being responsible to learning how such an ID is given. (Which, by the way, is why the admin team won't allow the nomads to be an open faction - they'd sooner completely eliminate the group than allow free roaming terrorist ID's here.)

I can see you see this. All I can say is that I'm extremely arrogant in my own opinion, as we all are.
It takes a certain amount of arrogance to come to this forum and speak your mind, knowing that in some ways you're going to reap a whirlwind of counter opinion.

I feel however, that my cocky arrogant opinion, as you describe it, is simply an observation on current limitations. I'm not alone in thinking this, but primarily the only opponents to my view, on this forum, so far are the guys with the greatest stakes in Nomad elitism.

I consider lock in of the nomads to be a critical mistake. thats all.
Call me arrogant for it if you will.

Oh, and your premise is incorrect. The K|Hara and/or Nomads are not struggling. A struggling faction is one that has a tough time making the 30 hour minimum and 5 player minimum. That is not the case for the K|Hara. The only struggle I see is that you don't want to play by our rules here, and quite frankly, we ain't buying it. You may be the worlds best role-player. (I doubt it - that's on a t-shirt that I wear. :)) But you either follow our rules here and work with us - or STFU and GTFO.

No.

K'hara is nearly invisible. I don't care if it struggles or not. I care that the server misses a crucial part of its rich background cos not enough alien encounters occur.

Not five minutes ago I sat in my nommie lf in Outcast space and watched 2 other nommies discuss what was the quickest way to get a nommie battleship. They are both applicants for K'hara.

You think the current system works? You have 1/10th of the nomad population you need, but you still have the capwhores.

Critically:
K'hara is not fulfilling the main requirement of bringing richer alien encounters to the server. "Epicness" sits with K'hara, and K'hara is not delivering it.

There I said it.

Lastly:

I will not STFU or GTFO. My opinion here is valid. I respectfully disagree with yours, and won't fly K'hara for that reason.
I will continue to fly around in my little nommie lf and think of fun things for other players to mess around with.

Lastly: I found your post to be hostile in intent, and I regret it deeply.
You may be 50 sir, but I advise that you gain a little forum maturity: You came here with your sleeves rolled up looking for a showdown.

I'm happy to talk with you, but this sort of thing is beneath both of us, and not germane to the discussion.

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[alphadog]

It's funny you guys only talk about how it could be done, or how it should be done according to you. All fine and dandy, but you seem to miss the 4-5 posts which say how you can do that, and that it's already been tried.

[Altaris]

I will not STFU or GTFO. My opinion here is valid. I respectfully disagree with yours, and won't fly K'hara for that reason.
I will continue to fly around in my little nommie lf and think of fun things for other players to mess around with.

Suit yourself. But be prepared for flying morph with Nomad Trial ID 'till the rest of your life.

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Carnage itself flying within void...
Proud cardihead ever since 2008...
You all gonna eat cardi!

...also im a troll, so hate me.