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Rema 'Pesas · 01-11-2011, 05:30 PM,

' Wrote:Eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigandage

Please read that, pirates spent their time in open sea, boarding bulky Galleons full of Gold or Silver for a living.
Brigands spent their time on land, robbing and killing people for a living.

Same thing.

then im noticing a severe problem. how did brigands, people who spend their time on land, end up in space! madness!

yes, we DO pirate. we rob, we kill, and yes, thats a part of our living. but in freelancer, in space, in gallia, brigands do more than that.

besides, this quote was taken from in-game. you hardly think we think of ourselves as evil evil men, do you? we're doin what we want. yeah, that might be pirating, but some of us still take offense to being called pirates.

and thats when we start removing your intestines....how fun.(no, thats not a threat. we remove them in-RP. well, when we can, at least. mmmmmm, fresh intestine....)

and thank ye for the feedback kaze.

sable · 01-11-2011, 05:42 PM,

Brigands are not pirates, because they are called "Brigands", obviously.

Rogues are also not pirates. Nor are Outcasts.

I mean, they may be pirating pretty often, but that does not make them pirates. They are more than that, as Etien already said.

' Wrote:Kaze here. Enjoyed all the meetings i had with my CR with you guys :smile2:

Thanks, that means a lot to us. I remember the nice RP we had :smile2:

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Ryummel · 01-11-2011, 05:44 PM,

' Wrote:brigands do more than that.

What do they do apart from robbing? Launching direct strikes against Royalist facilities? Isn't it Council and Maquis job?

sable · 01-11-2011, 06:07 PM,

' Wrote:What do they do apart from robbing?

I'll tell you...

Quote:Their activities in space are usually related to smuggling, escorting ships that pay for protection through pirate-controlled areas, and outward piracy against civilian ships and convoys.

Quote: the Brigands assisted the Council and the Maquis in some of the crucial operations of the war

Quote:The Brigands also agreed that expanding into Sirius should be a high priority on the faction's agenda.

more than pirates. 'Nuff said.
Also, compare the Pirate ID to the Brigand ID. It's quite different.

If we are already on this level, tell me....why is someone a Maquis if he does not share the beliefs of Maquis? Explain that to me.

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Mao · 01-11-2011, 06:57 PM,

I see you lot are very active lately and I got to say I'm impressed. Bug the assmins to become official already. I think 3 months have passed already, aye?

Kudos

Ryummel · 01-11-2011, 07:44 PM,

This is the quote you posted.

Quote:the Brigands assisted the Council and the Maquis in some of the crucial operations of the war

This is the quote I respond you with.

Quote:In huge numbers, the Brigands assisted the Council and the Maquis in some of the crucial operations of the war, notably the battles in Dauphine system in 726-727 AGS. While they usually served as support and rearguard units and did not actively engage the Navy if they were not engaged themselves, their mere presence changed the course of a number of battles.

'Nuff said. No direct strikes.

Now it's time to post my quote:

Quote:Most of the Brigands initially came from miserable urban centers located on economically struggling planets like Amiens and Berry where they had low paying jobs or no job at all. Others were space construction workers, former police officers, former convicts, or simply criminals who wished to try their luck in space. While many new people still join the Brigands today, the bulk of the faction's current members are brought up Brigands from their childhood in the families living within numerous asteroid bases that belong to the Brigands, and on Planet Marne.

So, what's the point of a former convict coming to Dijon, taunting Royalists and giving them morale lessons about freedom, democracy and "Royalists harming civilians" stuff? That just makes no sense. Now you'd say "We're not former convicts, we are former GRN pilots!", then turn LE into a Council faction!

About Pirate ID and Brigand ID comparison ... *Sighs* A pirate seeks profit by performing piracy activities. A Brigand seeks profit by performing smuggling and piracy activities mainly. So why coming to Dijon, luring Royalists a bit far away from the base and shooting them? Where is the profit? Isn't it what Brigands seek? At least that's what I read from Igiss' posts.

About the Maquis, the group hasn't a "common belief". Maquis is a group formed by people who disagree with Council's "softcore" methods to win the war against Royalists, as well as people who only seek revenge ("Royalists killed my family" story, etc) and psychopaths who enjoy making Royalists suffer because it's fun.

sable · 01-11-2011, 08:39 PM,

Quote:'Nuff said. No direct strikes.

Yeah, no direct strikes from us. You seem to confuse direct strike with self defense. If, for example, a Navy patrol (of more or less equal force shows up, not ganking) meets a Brigand group somewhere, doing anything from smuggling, pirating, fighting or just flying around, according to your opinion, the Brigands should flee no matter what. How about no? We can defend ourselves as we want if you attack us, where we want and how we want. Let this be clear. And if we deicde to flee, for whatever reason, and also if you follow us back to our base, which you did in the past we can still defend ourselves.

And, secondly. There were situations where the [C] was fighting the GRN, but they were outnumbered. If they call us for help, which is what they did, we can help them against the GRN, even if it's near your bases. Why wouldn't we? They are our cooperates, and it's up to us if we let them fight alone or join the fight. And I can surely tell you, we will always help them, because they are cooperating with us in so many points.

Quote:So, what's the point of a former convict coming to Dijon, taunting Royalists and giving them morale lessons about freedom, democracy and "Royalists harming civilians" stuff? That just makes no sense. Now you'd say "We're not former convicts, we are former GRN pilots!", then turn LE into a Council faction!

Sorry man, but every Brigand is allowed to talk about whatever he wants. Do not forget, the LE may be a bit more organized as the usual bunch of Brigands, however they are not as organized as a paramilitary like the Council or the navy. Which means: Every Legionnaire does everything at his own risk. He gets a share of the prfoits and is allowed to be part of the LE, after all, and mostly Legionnares are people who have no other choice but to join the LE, as they wouldn't be accepted anywhere else, or don't have the contacts/power to make a group of their own. Back to topic: Enzo, as leader, does not care and will not punish one of his Legionnaires if he insults/taunts/TALKS to the GRN, or if he/she has different moral values....So, a Legionnaire will not be punished by the LE in that case, as he does it on his own risk. Of course, he could be punished by the GRN with his own death, but that's clear for you I hope....

Now, quote me the exact text where Igiss says "Brigands do everything for profit", show me that. No, brigands are not just a bunch of money-hungry, brainless pirates, cause as I see it that's your idea of Brigands. It's just a stereotype and you know it. It's the same as I would say: LPI are fat people eating donuts, or Outcasts being crazy addicts. Don't you see how pathetic that sounds?

And now let's talk about the RP of your maquis today. If I had the same argument as you, I'd say: No, you're a maquis, you are not allowed to do experiments because I think that Maquis should/must be like that. But I did not force on tis matter further, because I think and I know that you can (to some extent - and that extent is of proportions of the faction your charcter belongs to, while the faction can also have a bit of imagination in it by some extent, though it should not drift off the original idea completely) RP your character as you want, between the limits I mentioned above.

That's my last reply for today, RL is calling.

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Cat · 01-11-2011, 08:44 PM,

Well, not much point in adding

' Wrote:This is the quote I respond you with.

Quote:In huge numbers, the Brigands assisted the Council and the Maquis in some of the crucial operations of the war, notably the battles in Dauphine system in 726-727 AGS. While they usually served as support and rearguard units and did not actively engage the Navy if they were not engaged themselves, their mere presence changed the course of a number of battles.
'Nuff said. No direct strikes.

Sometimes it's just a matter of "evening the odds", nothing more. "Our mere presence" wouldn't really help the Council in game (unless we feed them with nanos, but that's NOT the thing I'd do; it's just for the sake of fair-play). But Seby's explanation seems better.

' Wrote:So, what's the point of a former convict coming to Dijon, taunting Royalists and giving them morale lessons about freedom, democracy and "Royalists harming civilians" stuff? That just makes no sense.

Some people may believe that they were wrongly accused. Talking about freedom is acceptable too, in my opinion (since Brigands do value their independence):

Quote:they consider themselves to be free people living without the restraints of law and conservative morale

Since many Brigands originate from the poor, it's no wonder that they blame the rich and their lackeys. This attitude is most likely wide-spread among the Brigands.

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Ryummel · 01-11-2011, 10:07 PM,

' Wrote:Yeah, no direct strikes from us. You seem to confuse direct strike with self defense. If, for example, a Navy patrol (of more or less equal force shows up, not ganking) meets a Brigand group somewhere, doing anything from smuggling, pirating, fighting or just flying around, according to your opinion, the Brigands should flee no matter what. How about no? We can defend ourselves as we want if you attack us, where we want and how we want. Let this be clear. And if we deicde to flee, for whatever reason, and also if you follow us back to our base, which you did in the past we can still defend ourselves.

Seems I didn't explain myself correctly then. By direct strikes I mean that your group (With no Council/Maquis assistance) still come to Dijon, as a coarse attempt to blast some Royalists. Instead of Brigands, I only see a paramilitary which sometimes decides to pirate. Brigands aren't a war with Royalists, but hostiles because they're criminals. See the difference?

So, that argument about self-defence is quite obvious, we attack you, you defend your integrity, ha?. Again, I'm talking about you attacking Royalists first.

' Wrote:And, secondly. There were situations where the [C] was fighting the GRN, but they were outnumbered. If they call us for help, which is what they did, we can help them against the GRN, even if it's near your bases. Why wouldn't we? They are our cooperates, and it's up to us if we let them fight alone or join the fight. And I can surely tell you, we will always help them, because they are cooperating with us in so many points.

Okay, if you claim to have deals with Council, fine, why not assisting them if they're doing the same with you? Assisting, yeah.

' Wrote:Do not forget, the LE may be a bit more organized as the usual bunch of Brigands, however they are not as organized as a paramilitary like the Council or the navy.

LE behaves like being paramilitary force which seeks to punish Royalists for their "crimes against innocents". Yeah, LE was betrayed by GRN, so they'd want to seek revenge. Then, choose a different faction, not a brigand one.

' Wrote:Now, quote me the exact text where Igiss says "Brigands do everything for profit", show me that.

I already asked you what were the Brigands for you, and all you did was posting the wiki link of the Brigands ID, whose activities are related to seeking profit. Also, read about the Gallic wars, Brigands roles? Piracy and smuggling, aye.

' Wrote:No, brigands are not just a bunch of money-hungry, brainless pirates, cause as I see it that's your idea of Brigands.It's just a stereotype and you know it. It's the same as I would say: LPI are fat people eating donuts, or Outcasts being crazy addicts. Don't you see how pathetic that sounds?

Out of context. Whatever... I'll repeat it again, Brigands main goal as a criminal organization is seeking profit. A columbian cartel, whatever. Money, for god's sake, money.

' Wrote:And now let's talk about the RP of your maquis today. If I had the same argument as you, I'd say: No, you're a maquis, you are not allowed to do experiments because I think that Maquis should/must be like that. But I did not force on tis matter further, because I think and I know that you can (to some extent - and that extent is of proportions of the faction your charcter belongs to, while the faction can also have a bit of imagination in it by some extent, though it should not drift off the original idea completely) RP your character as you want, between the limits I mentioned above.

First thing, I wasn't that Maquis char. And again, totally unrelated. I'm talking about the general behaviour of the members of LE (A faction which is requesting its official status, therefore enforcing Brigand RP) not about a specific individual. If somebody wants to have a psychotic Maquis who enjoys doing experiments, fine, as long as it doesn't change faction lore. Because Maquis will still be terrorists, not Dr.Evil's.

So, gonna summarize this mess: All you've done (since the faction went Brigand) is changing Brigand RP to fit LE, instead of chaging LE to fit Brigand RP.

sable · 01-12-2011, 03:08 AM,

Quote:So, gonna resume this mess: All you've done (since the faction went Brigand) is changing Brigand RP to fit LE, instead of chaging LE to fit Brigand RP.

And now we're back at the old story. I'm not gonna repaeat myself, so I just quote some things I said to others who had the same opinion as you.

Quote:It's not a special form of brigand. You are a Brigand and you join a Brigand gang, which is called Legion des Damnes. Our origins are supposed to be a "extra", not something that changes in any way our Brigand RP. Because, if you look at the faction page, we have the same goals as the NPC factions.

And much much more. Please, read the pages 2 and 3 again. And I hope then you will understand.

Don't take it personally man, but talking to you is like talking to a wall. You repeat yourself over and over again, and all you say makes no sense in the end, as it's completely subjective and, obviously false.

Let's start again, one by one.

Quote:LE behaves like being paramilitary force which seeks to punish Royalists for their "crimes against innocents". Yeah, LE was betrayed by GRN, so they'd want to seek revenge. Then, choose a different faction, not a brigand one.

Crimes against innocents? That's nonsense, that's the first time I hear something like that. LE does not seek revenge, because first of all: Only a very few LE members are actually former Legionnaires, and secondly, why should Brigands revenge themselves on the GRN? Only cause Enzo and some very few others were once betrayed? Enzo's personal intentions has nothing to do with that of the LE, and who says he wants to get revenge on the GRN? I don't have any plans for this, and if I'd ever had, definately not now or in the near future.

Quote:By direct strikes I mean that your group (With no Council/Maquis assistance) still come to Dijon, as a coarse attempt to blast some Royalists. Instead of Brigands, I only see a paramilitary which sometimes decides to pirate. Brigands aren't a war with Royalists, but hostiles because they're criminals. See the difference?

Again, same thing. LE normally does not attack GRN first. The situation you point at is when an LE came near to Dijon. Yes, he did, but he had no intention of attacking Gallic Royal Navy ships. Maybe he was looking for targets to pirate, or wanted to go somewhere else? But no intention of attacking GRN. He then went back to the base, as he was in a bomber and 4 GRN fighters showed up... :wacko:

Also, if the LE would ever attack GRN first, it would only be when they feel threatened by the GRN. By that I mean: If there is no other choice but to fight, for whatever reasons. But this only very very very rarely happens.

Another go at your "Brigands only want profit" statement, I hope you finally understand it now.

Quote:simply criminals who wished to try their luck in space.

Luck in space. Luck =/= Profit. It can also be: a better life, a more adventurous life. 'Nuff said.

Quote:they consider themselves to be free people living without the restraints of law and conservative morale

That is also not profit, not at all. They want freedom. So, in just a few seconds I found 3 things Brigands want/look for: Luck, Profit and Freedom - The world is also not black and white.

Your last posts are all the same, you ignore my explanations, you stick to your own, false opinion. That's not feedback anymore for me, that's becoming something else. I thought we already discussed the stuff. Yes, I put up a report of you (and rightfully so), and you got warned. Warned. Nothing else. Get over it already man, it was and is nothing personal against you.

I see this is becoming a "NO U - NO U" discussion. So, please restrain from posting here anymore with the intention of repeating yourself over and over again, as that is bringing us nowhere.

You can take this to flood, or even better, message me on Skype if you have something to discuss with me. But please not here, this thread is here for feedback, both negative and positive, and what you did now is not feedback anymore for me.

Yours faithfully,
Seby

Quote:I see you lot are very active lately and I got to say I'm impressed. Bug the assmins to become official already. I think 3 months have passed already, aye?

Kudos

Thanks man :smile2:

I know it's time, but I'm not the type to bother anyone with it. I'll see what I can do, I know the admins are very busy with 4.86. I can't wait for it, too:)

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