Well, your description of your later forces indicates that you had reinforcements on the way. And there was sufficient RP for the rules - sometimes some of our guys just want to kill Order pilots, just as sometimes Order pilots want to kill hunters. It's not like pretty much everything hasn't already been said between our two groups...
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
I wonder where are the BHG| in house space, the house space that crawls with pirates has all these modern mercenary groups around that there is rarely a bounty hunter to be seen, except rarely in Bretonia.
Short of men or just inactive ?
It's more of a question out of curiosity since I don't see you lot doing your job around.
' Wrote:I wonder where are the BHG| in house space, the house space that crawls with pirates has all these modern mercenary groups around that there is rarely a bounty hunter to be seen, except rarely in Bretonia.
Short of men or just inactive ?
It's more of a question out of curiosity since I don't see you lot doing your job around.
It's a matter we're trying to fix. Right now we re working on some reorganisations so we are kind of busy with other things. But what you say is (partly) true. There are not a lot of active house hunters. (or core players for that matter)
Reasons for the lack of House hunters, I think, are the following.
- people just cba to read through all the bounties, look for the target online, hope it`s there, try to find it, ss like mad to obey all the rules, shoot the target, take more ss, and then go to forumlancer to claim. and god help you if you forget to claim. because then sanction lancer comes into play. I for one think it has a certain charm. But most people want to play the game, not do all kinds of chores offline just to play their character. let alone fly through 5 systems only to see their target hug a base and dock when his shield drops.
- People want quick and easy pvp. And being a bounty hunter, in contradiction of populair belief, does not offer this. (see above). So people make a navy ship or pirate ship instead and get cracking.
- Being a merc is far more attractive. the bounties are usually higher. You can work for pretty much everyone, inlcuding getting stuck in house wars. You can fly almost any ship if you pull some right strings. This explains your 'mercenary group' observation. Why use a Manta with bucks if you can get a Sabre with Krakens? (just an example)
- A lot of lawfulls tend to say 'sod off, we can handle it' and traders barely ask for escorts any more. Add to that the fact that some bounty placers / employers simply do not pay and you know why playing a BHG is not that appealing.
So yes, we are short on players and we have very few active ones. The main issue? I think bounty hunting is too much of a chore to players. Whether it is, I won't debate here as it does not fit the scope of this feedback thread. Fact is, some people even think it's too much trouble to write an action report once a week so there you have it...
We are looking for active house hunters. dedicated players like back in the S/D days. But so far we haven't found a lot.
So, 'doing our job' is a tad hard when you mostly fly alone and get 3 cap 8 ku ex on your arse going 'dai bhg'
I agree with everything Dashiell said. Although I am just an Indie Hunter, it is quite annoying sometimes. Traders are really reluctant to hire escorts and claiming bounties is just a chore, with all the Screenshooting and Forumposting.
I see and understand, I know it was more of a question then any feedback but it satisfies my curiosity. Thank you.
On related note of feedback, I have met fair share of BHG| players in my pirate careers and I can't say nothing bad and only give kudos. You lot know your job, and treat the players fair way. Fights stay on equal numbers, hunting is done professional with nice strong RP behind it prior to the shooting, which makes me wanna actually interact and not silently run.
Matter of lacking the players is problem to fair share of factions and I understand it completely. I can see my self in hunter role, and I'll sure try it out when I sort out RL with exams and free time to play.
Anyway, thank you for the answer and do keep up your ways.
Forum posting to claim bounties was required before as well, if I recall correctly. And the mercenaries only have the advantage of being able to side with unlawfuls as well, but if they side with them against the lawfuls, they will no longer be able to work for the lawfuls since they require to be red to the factions they hunt. So, since there are basically more unlawfuls then lawfuls nowadays, you have even more people to hunt, so using that as an excuse doesnt really fly by.
A while back you were fairly active in house space, and you were seen regularly. Problem is, everyone just switched to the core and started flying ships like Destroyers and up. In my opinion no one is interested to hunt in house space in a fighter anymore because you all just want to fly around the Omicrons in capital ships. I dont even remember the last time I saw a house BHG| fighter, since even when you are in house space (which nowadays never happens) you are flying gunboats. So its really funny how you say that unlawfuls attack you 3 to 1. You expect to have a 1v1 against a VHF in your Orca or what?
You used to do events in house space, escort official factions with fighters and bombers, you used to fly in packs of 2-3 fighters and just hunt around. Why did you ruin that "Hunter" feeling?
' Wrote:I see and understand, I know it was more of a question then any feedback but it satisfies my curiosity. Thank you.
On related note of feedback, I have met fair share of BHG| players in my pirate careers and I can't say nothing bad and only give kudos. You lot know your job, and treat the players fair way. Fights stay on equal numbers, hunting is done professional with nice strong RP behind it prior to the shooting, which makes me wanna actually interact and not silently run.
Matter of lacking the players is problem to fair share of factions and I understand it completely. I can see my self in hunter role, and I'll sure try it out when I sort out RL with exams and free time to play.
Anyway, thank you for the answer and do keep up your ways.
Thanks for the compliment. It's nice to see some pirates appriciate the whole 'getting shot at for money' thing.
' Wrote:Forum posting to claim bounties was required before as well, if I recall correctly. And the mercenaries only have the advantage of being able to side with unlawfuls as well, but if they side with them against the lawfuls, they will no longer be able to work for the lawfuls since they require to be red to the factions they hunt. So, since there are basically more unlawfuls then lawfuls nowadays, you have even more people to hunt, so using that as an excuse doesnt really fly by.
Forum posting wasn't mandaory for ingame hiring in the old days. Now it is. Forum posting, or rather forgetting it or having the ss missing is now sanctionable. It wasn't in the old days.
Unlawful bounties generally pay more. And mercs can fly sabres (80% of the mercs do) with krakens, infernos, Tizonas etc. Unlawful mercs aren't bountied 90% of the time so that's not a very good argument. and having people to hunt means they need to be bountied.
A while back you were fairly active in house space, and you were seen regularly. Problem is, everyone just switched to the core and started flying ships like Destroyers and up. In my opinion no one is interested to hunt in house space in a fighter anymore because you all just want to fly around the Omicrons in capital ships. I dont even remember the last time I saw a house BHG| fighter, since even when you are in house space (which nowadays never happens) you are flying gunboats. So its really funny how you say that unlawfuls attack you 3 to 1. You expect to have a 1v1 against a VHF in your Orca or what?
Nonsense. This is just you raging against our faction. We don't all want to fly destroyers. For your information, the Core is now inactive as well. Does that mean we all suddenly switched to house hunting?
Core took the attention, yes. Because there was more fun to be had. Why? because you didnt have to play forumlancer. and a lot of people just dont want that. It takes a certain mentality / passion to want to do the bounty hunting thing. If you dont remember the last time you saw a BHG| fighter, I think you should check Dublin. Or Leeds, or NY, or O3.
and we are all flying gbs? Yes, our gb usage has increased. why? because pirates also use way more gbs than before. Don't give me that nonsense about us being unfair. you try hunting cap 4 and up GBS in a lone bomber or a VHF. let alone the pirate id-ed Ku Ex swarm. (with zoner pewers, of course)
You used to do events in house space, escort official factions with fighters and bombers, you used to fly in packs of 2-3 fighters and just hunt around. Why did you ruin that "Hunter" feeling?
we used to escort ships, yes. Now almost no one hires escorts. (see above) We used to hunt in packs, until forumlancer became that tad too annoying for the less passionate forumlancers to want to carry on with it. We didn't ruin that hunter feeling. circumstances did.
That would be my feedback.
We all know how you feel about the BHG| since our little fallout. Just keep it private please? And don't try to hurl false accusations around and paint us with the 'you mucked it all up' brush.
cheers.
As for the mentality I mentioned. I remember only a few who had that. In the old S/D days, those were me,
Ath, Carl, Alpha, Tic, Jussi, Prowler and maybe some more I forgot.
Those were the people who would actually read the whole bounty board, write down names and go on hunting trips. But this mentality is quite rare. Especially where the BHG is concerned. Why have restricions on yourself when you can make a merc instead and do whatever ya please? for more money, in general.
edit: darn. we 're straying. Use this topic for BHG| feedback. I might open up a general discussion topic about the whole bounty hunting bit later.
There's mention of a lack of house bounty hunters, yet recruitment has been closed for close to a month due to restructuring. I'd like to eventually apply for membership for one of my characters, but I wanted to get him to know some of the regulars first, as I find that to be more fun and challenging. However, there doesn't seem to be many. And with closed recruitment it doesn't seem like there's going to be any new ones. Is this restructering expected to be completed soon so that the faction can become more existent?
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