It's quite annoying to be playing RM and kill a Corsair to see it respawning in New Berlin of all places. People, get your act together. I don't care if you are starving back home, if you are poor and misunderstood. As far as Rheinland is concerned, you are just a bunch of unlawfuls.
We don't like you. Hell, we've just been through a declared war with you people. What do you think? We will grant you passage through Rheinland with no questions asked? Landing permits? Hell no! I don't care how many Red Hessians you kill, you're still not welcome, and you should act like that.
Now, there's also a bunch of generics (Civilians/Mercenaries/Freelancers) that like to parade Corsair aligned ships through our territory. Guess what? We don't like you either! "Oh, I've won this Titan in a game of cards." Well, my friends, if you're buddies enough with Corsairs to win their ships and get out of Crete alive with it, you better stay amongst the people who enjoy your company. If you stole it and magically managed to get out of Corsair territory in one piece we still don't know the difference and I have one word for you: Junkyard. That's correct, get rid of that ship as fast as you can and collect the credits for it, don't expect to be treated kindly if you have enough of a bad taste to be flying that horrid thing in Rheinland space.
Last night we've met a Civilian IDed Titan. Of course we stopped him and started questioning about how he got his hands on it. Sensible as he was, not only he was flying under a Corsair guise, but he started talking back to the local military. Well... Not a very wise move that one, was it, buddy? We've warned you Rheinland officers have their senses of humor surgically removed at the academy. And for the record, we do not eat donuts in Rheinland, try strudels next time. Ah, and also, go steal another one.
Quote:6.6 PvP combat is allowed only on roleplay basis. The pilot who is attacking must scan for an ID prior to the attack. Relying on general reputation status (red/neutral/green) without scanning for the ID is not allowed.
Non-RP attacks are considered PvP abuse and are sanctioned accordingly.
This rule was written to enforce RP, not to discourage it. So bear in mind that I don't care if you have a Civilian ID, a Bounty Hunter ID, a Diplomat ID, or even a Rheinland Military ID. Either you act accordingly why we are not supposed to attack you automatically or we down your ship just as fast. Ever heard of civilian disobedience? So, don't act like badging those IDs at us make you immune despite what you do.
I'm not coming with excuses for us to kill anyone we please. What I'm saying is that it's part of our RP to enforce law and order within our territory. You either play nice or pay the price, whoever you are.
P.S.: This goes to all the unlawful characters docking in lawful bases in Rheinland. It's just that there seems to be nine Corsair aligned characters out of every nine and a half.
EDIT: To be honest, the thing that irritates me the most isn't that these characters come to Rheinland. I mean, it's in everyone's rights to play a nitwit character. What irritates me is those guys whinnying our eyes off in PMs after we destroy their ships.
ther is anoughter thing that irratates me. you might have the ability to dock at a lawful base but you cant. in the real world you would be denied entry, arrested, or shot if you trid to land at these places. i am soo freking sick of responding to a disterbince in liberty only to see two order battleships flying corsiar ids and tags, undock from norfolk kill me as i am leaving the trade lane then dock back with norfolk. this is soo OORP it is not enven funny. if i cant dock at crete or fly a huntrss i rightfuly bought on a zonner base becuse i ama bounty hunter, then stay the hell off of manhattion. oh and you smugglers arnt safe eather. id ont care if you got a hold full of hostiges if i see you bring artafacts in i am telling you to stop. witch you wont. and whin you undock i will be distroying your ship. now stop whining you are hear to RP time to do so.
If I die bury me with a rocket luancher, and a shotgun. I am going to have some house cleaning to do.
well in my honest opinion if they where faction aligned i would say those factions should kick then immediately why? because they're dead that's why. in real life if a Korean fighter strolled across American skies it would not even make it to a airport to land it would be told to turn around or your gonna be blown out the skies. most likely resulting in i not got enough fule oh well your bad i guess you can plummit out the sky for all i care your in our territory live with it.
so all in all people who dock on enemy bases are complete imbiciles, i have personally never done it and never will do it. just sheer bad news in every manner of the word
landing at a lawful base is one thing - being neutral to NPCs another - and then there is the problem with people not seeing why they "should" be hostile.
i asked a few people about that issue recently, and i get answers like "get a life, that is only a game" - "i just want some fun and you spoil it for me" - "i am friendly in my rep, why should i be hostile?!" - etc.
its a bit of an inability of people to see that roleplaying is what the server is about - with the good sides aswell as the bad sides. but if the majority of the people just shows them how roleplay works, they might aswell figure it out for themselves or just leave if its not their thing.
' Wrote:well in my honest opinion if they where faction aligned i would say those factions should kick then immediately why? because they're dead that's why. in real life if a Korean fighter strolled across American skies it would not even make it to a airport to land it would be told to turn around or your gonna be blown out the skies. most likely resulting in i not got enough fule oh well your bad i guess you can plummit out the sky for all i care your in our territory live with it.
Actually thats not true at all. If a Korean aircraft entered US Air space ( which would actually be almost impossible anyway cos US over the horizon radar probably allows the USA to monitor air traffic over Korea.. they would know the plane was coming before it had even reached Japan... but anyway ) they would be hailed and requested (ie.. persuaded with threat of force) to land at a US air base.. and they would probably be escorted by fighters to make sure it went. Only if it didn't cooperate or respond to hails only then would it be fired upon.
The only time aircraft of one nation can fire without warning on aircraft of another nation is during a time of war. To do otherwise is a criminal act.
I agree that criminals docking at lawful bases is a bit lame... and pretty OORP if they do that in view of the police (that's just silly and i really don't agree with that)
but, if there are no police in a system, and no one sees.. i don't necessarily think thats so bad, in RP speak - you got in, you snuk in, you beat customs at the airport, you hid the contraband in a secret compartment, the civilian traffic controller didn't scan your ID.. whatever... If we're using real life examples (I've posted this before somewhere) Criminals and undesirables sneak into major ports, airports, border crossings all the time... It's the cops job to find them, and catch them.
I would say that the RM is being a bit harsh in condemning and shooting people who are merely affiliated with criminal factions... especially smugglers and traders, mercs... i think that until you actually see these people committing a crime you should not be killing them. KOS someone who actually has a Corsair ID is one thing... but a trader whose tag really just says "i kinda like the Corsairs" is a little excessive and i would call it an abuse of police and military power...
(again a RL example.. in the 70's and 80's, there were lots of sympathizers for the IRA in Australia and the USA, who were quite public in their support for a known bunch of criminals, but until they had actually been caught doing something illegal, they couldn't be touched)
But then again rheinland isn't known for its.... just laws, and seems to have a "guilty until proven innocent" policy..... oh well....
' Wrote:I would say that the RM is being a bit harsh in condemning and shooting people who are merely affiliated with criminal factions... especially smugglers and traders, mercs... i think that until you actually see these people committing a crime you should not be killing them. KOS someone who actually has a Corsair ID is one thing... but a trader whose tag really just says "i kinda like the Corsairs" is a little excessive and i would call it an abuse of police and military power...
But then again rheinland isn't known for its.... just laws, and seems to have a "guilty until proven innocent" policy..... oh well....
Well, Laowai, we don't do it. What we do... Actually I'll say "what I do" since I'm not the voice of the RM is give them hell. I'll RP all kinds of "special treatments" towards these characters. From questioning to weapon's training at their craft until they state their business in Rheinland and do it good. The primary job of the military isn't being nice to everyone, it is keeping their territory safe and free from threats. If I'm inclined to believe you're not someone to be trusted (here is where that person's affiliation input comes in handy), I won't lay off of you until I figure out what you are, trustworthy or downright criminal. The military, or at least my character, don't like gray areas.
I won't just shoot anyone mindlessly and sometimes I pay the price for it really. Yesterday there was a pirate IDed transport in New Berlin. Pirates are KoS by the RM book. But since the guy was in a clean transport and minimally armed (one class 1 turret) I (player) figured perhaps the guy was setting up a char or was a new player that had no idea, so I decided to RP ordering him out of our territory to give him a chance to understand what Rheinland is about. I told him to leave and he said he was waiting for someone. I told him he could wait elsewhere, not in Rheinland territory, and gave him ten seconds to start his engines and be escorted out of our space. As I was around five, what a surprise, a pirate IDed eagle undocked from New Berlin and instantly opened fire at me without warning. Had to sweat in my Snubnose's cockpit to kill them both. Fortunately there was a RH police character around to assist me.
That's what I get for being nice and it's my fault really for being ooRP and not mindlessly shoot the transport to oblivion. Still wonder why we are so strict and not very nice?
Well, they might be docking on Kreuzberg, that Junker base. But still, I agree, I hate this crap. I mean, I'm often nuetral to NPCs that my characters should be hostile to, but I remedy this when fighting players by firing CDs at NPCs.
When it comes to Corsair tagged traders however, Afonso has the following to say...
"Me, a Corsair, senor? No, no, no, I merely capped a few gringo Hessians as I passed through the Omegas, amigo... and, alas, my transponder, it changed, si?"
' Wrote:That's what I get for being nice and it's my fault really for being ooRP and not mindlessly shoot the transport to oblivion. Still wonder why we are so strict and not very nice?
Actually - no, i don't wonder it at all.. i know why you guys wanna shoot things, Kos those affiliated guys... those guys jumped you, acted like criminals and shot without warning... I'd wanna shoot them as well....
but if the military are gonna act like.. well.. the military? then... I'd say... suck it up!.... Criminals break the law they break the rules, thats why they're criminals, and when they act like them.. and shoot you first... well, they are not actually acting out of RP... don't get me wrong, once that affiliated character has stepped over the line then do what you did, safety's off, and take them down... then, you can whack that Char's name on the RM forum as a "blacklisted" individual...
because, by that stage, they have committed a crime. But until they do.. (and it's just my opinion) i still think just opening up on affiliated characters is a bit harsh.... (i realise you said you don't do it, but by the comment at the end of your post "wonder why we aren't very nice" it kinda suggests that, if you're not doing it now.. you might be thinking about doing it...:)or condoning those who do.... (warning them off like you said you did is a good way to handle it - but even then, if i was that char, i would argue that despite my stated affiliations, im not committing a crime, and you have no right to fire upon me)
my point is, the military is a lawful force, and thus has to act lawfully - you're right, their job isn't to be nice, its to protect the country and keep it secure... but they still have to do that within the confines of the law, and i think just opening fire on someone isn't lawful.
Weeeell, the RM has very fascist rules of engagement. That means that if you look at an officer the wrong way, you get vapourised. They might be lawful, but they are bad guys.
What Gronath was getting at, were the fact that pirates that shouldn't be in Rheinland were there. That IS poor roleplay. Mollies should not be active in Rheinland. Period.
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