' Wrote:[color=#FFFFFF]Right back at you, all it takes is a Cardamine warhead exploding on New Paris to ensure the safety of Malta when people start turning into mindless husks and dying from withdraw
Well, there was a discussion about that already. The concentration of cardamine that you will drop into atmosphere with that act won't be nearly enough to provide any serious outcome. Poisoning water sources with liquid cardi might be a better option, but it also won't allow you to affect large amounts of population.
That, and Gallic security in times of war. With the amount of resources they have, I'd find it hard to deliver such cargo to their capital planet.
' Wrote:Well, there was a discussion about that already. The concentration of cardamine that you will drop into atmosphere with that act won't be nearly enough to provide any serious outcome. Poisoning water sources with liquid cardi might be a better option, but it also won't allow you to affect large amounts of population.
That, and Gallic security in times of war. With the amount of resources they have, I'd find it hard to deliver such cargo to their capital planet.
[color=#FFFFFF]Wait a second, you are talking about antimatter warfare, and find it difficult to believe that that the atmosphere of a planet could be poisoned?
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[color=#FFFFFF]Wait a second, you are talking about antimatter warfare, and find it difficult to believe that that the atmosphere of a planet could be poisoned?
What anti-matter warfare? You mentioned Cardamine warhead. And yeah, what is a cardamine warhead?
By "bombarding Malta" I meant launching few thousand nukes/anti-matter charges on it's terrain. Can even use cobalt bombs for that case, but it's unlikely Gallia have the stockpile of them, since they're only good for such acts, due to being very poisonous.
As for fallout from anti-matter charges, I have absolutely no idea on physics behind that process, so I can't say if there's any and of what scale. All I know is that in Freelancer, Anti matter charges are stronger then nuclear ones in terms of yield.
' Wrote:Wrong. All it takes is to literally destroy Malta's surface with nuclear/anti-matter bombardment, together with the cardamine and outcast population, and turn it into nuclear wasteland. That is the most cost-effective solution, taking into account that Malta cannot be colonized due to cardamine-"poisoned" atmosphere, and cardamine can pose a large threat to Gallia as well.
Scenario where each cardi-dependant faction comes to Alpha to fight for outcasts might work only in case Outcasts will know that Gallics are coming. Then, possibly, they will have time to "Call to Arms". But even then, how much time does it takes, inRP, to give a message to other factions, persuade them in the seriousness of the threat, and then reach Omicron Alpha through jumphole network? Especially since Discovery introduces JumpDrives, which may help Gallics greatly.
As for outcast war fighting capability - Omicron Alpha is, mainly, an open space. Gallia, due to numerical and technological superiority, will have huge, tremendous advantage.
In a 3D dimension, having numerical superiority and best long-strike capabilities among all humans will result in the extreme superiority in firepower, which then will result in even higher ratio of Outcast : Gallia deaths.
Thats of course if we use "Logic" in it, which is not necessary, since it's Freelancer we're talking about.
i hope you do realize that anything that will endanger Malta will make the nomads move in?
Let me remind you of that planet in Omicron Minor that was kersploded even while two of the mightiest non-house forces in sirius was fighting to protect it.
And i think we all know, that gallians have NO way to counter a large nomnom revenge attack.
And it would definetively make liberty and ALL other houses move as MILLIONS of people would die in vain.
Without the cardamine of Malta, millions, maybe billions would die sirius wide within two weeks from withdrawal. Drug heads or not, such deathtolls would make any nation move and possible turn all the houses + nomnoms against gallia litterally "over night"....
[color=#FFFFFF]The size of the house doesn't/ never has/never will determine its ability to wage war. Gallia is massive yes, but a move like that will pretty much be its doom
' Wrote:i hope you do realize that anything that will endanger Malta will make the nomads move in?
Let me remind you of that planet in Omicron Minor that was kersploded even while two of the mightiest non-house forces in sirius was fighting to protect it.
And i think we all know, that gallians have NO way to counter a large nomnom revenge attack.
And it would definetively make liberty and ALL other houses move as MILLIONS of people would die in vain.
Without the cardamine of Malta, millions, maybe billions would die sirius wide within two weeks from withdrawal. Drug heads or not, such deathtolls would make any nation move and possible turn all the houses + nomnoms against gallia litterally "over night"....
for their own safety, its the worst they can do.
Well, it's often said that Keepers are merely remnants of the Nomads and do not have their former power, but these estimates are indeed... relative, I guess? And will Gallics take that into consideration when analyzing their further moves, i.e. do they have any info on outcast-nomad connections?
As for the levels of cardamine spread... billions of people? you sure it's THAT bad? And do Gallics know about that?
Because if it's so, commencing a covert strike on Malta is the best things Gallics can do, which will literally put Sirius Houses into chaos without knowing who exactly caused that.
The question is what exactly is required to significantly damage Malta's cardamine production capabilities, and how it can be delivered. Or, what is the maximum that Gallics can dream of achieving with that kind of tactic.
And yeah, since it's unlikely to (edit:)secretly deliver and drop few thousand nuclear warheads to totally take out Malta, due to Outcast scanners on Malta's orbit... I think those exist, right? Or some other security measures that prevent that? But then again, why then Houses can't prevent the flow of contraband/cardamine towards their planets, especially capital ones, if it's possible to cover whole orbit and monitor all incoming vessels? edit: not like you can take out whole Malta with just 1 transport loaded with nukes, but it'd definitely harm cardamine production to some, unknown, extent. Will depend on the ability to spread those nukes over terrain as much as possible, not blowing them up in one place.
Well fact is, Malta has some wicked shielding surrounding it due to constant corsair threat. You wont simply be able to drop anything down on the surface as all towns have strong shields to protect themselves.
as for radiation..... Space radiation is proven (in RL) to be MUCH MUCH stronger then gamma rays, which is the fallout from nuclear warheads. Anti radiation shielding, radiation medicine. its been around for centuries.
Anti matter is the way to go. Anti matter is basically a super-ionized particle with neutral standing to all atoms. It works by ionizing and dismantling anything it touches. Firing an antimatter cannon on a planets surface would cause even the atmosphere to be forcibly dismantled as the projectile travels through it. The only thing that can stop antimatter is when the projectile collides with more mass then it can dismantle and thus the antimatter itself dismantles and become loose matter.
Either way, if the gallics went into Alpha, their losses would be so high that they wouldn't be able to hold their ground in bretonia. Once the crowns navy weakens, the council would devastate the gauls from within with swift and determined attacks, weaking whatever power that were left.
And once all that was is over, if Malta did indeed become destroyed, they would face the might of the keepers. A threat they dont even know how to deal with....
' Wrote:Well fact is, Malta has some wicked shielding surrounding it due to constant corsair threat. You wont simply be able to drop anything down on the surface as all towns have strong shields to protect themselves.
So, there're land based shield generators in freelancer? So far we've only saw shield technology capable of covering the ship hull, not the "empty space". Of course, constructing domes over cities might help with that.
Quote: as for radiation..... Space radiation is proven (in RL) to be MUCH MUCH stronger then gamma rays, which is the fallout from nuclear warheads. Anti radiation shielding, radiation medicine. its been around for centuries.
Main fallout from nuclear warheads comes not from the inducted radioactivity through gamma rays during the initial blast, but from the radioactive material that did not undergo fission process, that poisons terrain. You'd need advanced decontamination tech for that, more likely would need to remove the upper layer of contaminated terrain. But if all cardamine fields are covered with domes, or if ALL of Malta is literally covered with one huge cardamine field, significantly dropping level of production using "covert operations" tactics with involvement of nuclear weaponry only will be problematic. This way, attack on population/industrial centres would have better effect.
Quote:Anti matter is the way to go. Anti matter is basically a super-ionized particle with neutral standing to all atoms. It works by ionizing and dismantling anything it touches. Firing an antimatter cannon on a planets surface would cause even the atmosphere to be forcibly dismantled as the projectile travels through it. The only thing that can stop antimatter is when the projectile collides with more mass then it can dismantle and thus the antimatter itself dismantles and become loose matter.
Whats the equivalent in TNT, compared to nukes? Or they work more like "burning their way through surface towards the planet's center?" So not exactly useful for causing large-scale devastation on the open terrain?
Quote:Either way, if the gallics went into Alpha, their losses would be so high that they wouldn't be able to hold their ground in bretonia. Once the crowns navy weakens, the council would devastate the gauls from within with swift and determined attacks, weaking whatever power that were left.
With involvement of Nomads only. As I mentioned, the advantage in numbers and firepower on open terrain will turn into greater losses for Outcasts, not for Gallics.
As for Cover Ops, they don't mean sending Royal troops on Valors with Royal "flags".
P.S. There's another way, as well. Destabilize jumpholes that are being used by smugglers and cut the supply lines. It's really damn simple to figure out their locations, question is, what it takes to destabilize one? A transport loaded with AM charges (edit: nvm, by your explanation AM won't work)? Something else?
' Wrote:Well fact is, Malta has some wicked shielding surrounding it due to constant corsair threat. You wont simply be able to drop anything down on the surface as all towns have strong shields to protect themselves.
Junkers are known to posses a phase-shifting technology that renders any barrier shield useless.
Well, moving fleet towards Sigmas would spell a disaster:
1) If it moves through Kusari, even if Kusari will let it through - it'll be sitting in a damn nebula, under constant attacks by both Rheinland, GMG and other parties in the region, with the constant threat of being backstabbed by Kusari AND Liberty(through Kusari).
Imo, a big NO.
2) if it moves through Alpha, even if Nomads won't interfere - density of asteroid clouds on the way there, and overall distance would spell a logistical nightmare as well.
What might work, is a guerilla warfare - especially if contacting different parties in the region (Corsairs?) and commencing swift bomber strikes on H-Fuel production facilities. Supplies will have to be delivered either through the use of JumpDrives (and you don't really need lots of them for such kind of operation), or with the help of Corsairs.
But, then again, since Liberty got their "We have stockpiled so much H-Fuel that we can run for years" and Bretonia got their own fuel production capabilities (am I right here?), it's not really useful.
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