Current Order Status

[Colonel.Tigh]

Allright, without reading the previous posts, id like to write my view of the Order.

I tryed out both Order and Bountyhunter Guild and an Indie, with both a Cruiser and a Bomber each, and i found the same on both sides:
I found neither a sence of roleplay, nor a sence of fairplay from both the official factions twords me little indie trying to excell in both, only light was an official bounty hunter apologising for his two faction mates, asking me not to judge the lot of them, by their example.
That got me thinking, its no use to complain and cry, and i am still thinking of joining both of the two sides, to maybe better things by example, it worked for rheinland, why not out there.

Only real point of critic i have for the Official Order faction is: Stopp bullying Indies trying to repfix!!
Order ist not a rep you can get by Triplebribes.

[Pinko]

Really, I don't know why I feel sad when people are called ''Reserve fleets'',or ''Secondary fleets'', or whatever. Meh.

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[Ivan]

Well, I am, too. :|

[[Cerberus] Illusive Man]

Maybe Cruisers and Geb's as well. Leave the Secondary's with the Gunboat,Bomber and fighters.

No jack I don't think your actions are bad. I am actually quite pleased that you brought this up. And its clearly that some of the Secondaries are a Problem and need to be removed to lesser class ships. That they won't cause attention. Now A question to All of the secondaries who the only ship they have is a GB and Above. What stands in your way to buy a simple fighter instead of a Cap ? Isn't it easy to make mistake on a fighter then on a Battleship and learning the Order Rp will be quite easy as well.

I'm happy for that. I do not mean nothing harmful here, but I just want the community's opinion. That's all.

[Vladimir]

No, No, poor leadership. I don't interact with order much, i've flown my indie orders just a few times and it was boring, so i'm selling ossie i've used what, once, and keeping bastet just because it's 6 GBs, but from what i've seen the leadership was supposed to make ordurr strong and fun and all, but now i'm just irritated when i see them.

Maybe it's the magic keys.

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[Omicron]

Indies - some are good, some are terrible. It come out with time.
Poor leadership - personaly in my opinion Rod does good
Activity - not much to do, half of Sirius wants to kill Order and official faction is weak in PvP.
Unexperienced members - see activity
Ganking - happens sometimes everywhere
Poor secondary-primary relations - collateral responsibility, bad indies and faction members make everyone rep bad. Althrought it is easier for me to fight that from Order| side listening both sides of arguement and resolving situation.
Lost alliances - I always disliked alliance with SCRA what's the problem with it?
Lacks of organisation - more activity would make people go online and organisation is next step.

My honest personal opinion

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[DodgeOld24]

Note: I have no grudge against The Order/Order|. You make it a grudge. I play for fun, not to pi** other people off or hating. You -think- I have a grudge because you lose against me and not against NPCs in combat. I beat you, I have a grudge, right.

First answer - No

I have no comment on this, I just don't like them at all.

Second answer - No

Official factions (and fellow, experienced players) are supposed to set an example for their indies. It's common fact that the secondary fleet are gankers, lolwuts, rule breakers, etc, etc. This reckless behavior must be a cause of something. That's either:

1. Order| and experienced Order players setting bad examples.
2. They're all new players.

I highly doubt that it's option two. Sure, there are a bunch of new players, but all of them? And even if they are.. The Order| should be able to at least make sure they behave.


Third answer - Poor leadership

In my eyes, I only see the Order|/experienced Order players doing their own thing, and don't want to interact with anyone else than other official faction players.

Why?

They allow ganking. (valid tactic, but still in poor taste)
They shoot misbehaving indies without talking to them first. (which I made my own char for to proof)
They hate anything that comes near hostile on the diplomacy sheet.
They don't seem to give a damn about their indies. You know, they're people too. Maybe give them OPPORTUNITIES to proof themself, you even try to roleplay with them/taking them on field trips?

That is all. Jack Aubrey for responsible leader pl0x. EDIT: And me for co-leader. Jarek for third leader.

[[Cerberus] Illusive Man]

Nice point.

For the alliances option, I was referring to the fact that the lost the support of the NLH, of the SCRA (this could have been avoided), and we are now even risking to lose it with the Blood Dragons. Not to mention all the neutral or hostile factions that are 'setting-the-plague' on the Order. I hope you got my point aswell.

And I'm disturbed about some things that you say at my back, Michal. But this is secondary.

[[Cerberus] Illusive Man]

That is all. Jack Aubrey for responsible leader pl0x. EDIT: And me for co-leader. Jarek for third leader.

Hell no. I wouldn't want to be in charge of nothing right now, that's why I left Cerberus. But this is a funny example.

[Omicron]

For the alliances option, I was referring to the fact that the lost the support of the NLH, of the SCRA (this could have been avoided), and we are now even risking to lose it with the Blood Dragons. Not to mention all the neutral or hostile factions that are 'setting-the-plague' on the Order. I hope you got my point aswell.

I always seek oppurtunity to withdraw from alliance with SCRA, it was doing more wrong than good. About NLH, it just didn't worked and it was discussed with Sadtranslation. Did you even talked with him?

And I'm disturbed about some things that you say at my back, Michal. But this is secondary.

If you mean telling bad things about indies, you ussualy see me under influence of being angered by lolwut poor performace in-game. I know some and keep contact with decent indies over skype if they wish to.

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