Current Order Status

[[Cerberus] Illusive Man]

Lets keep this civil and try to avoid a flame-war.
Kudos to Dashiell.

[Wolfs Ghost]

While a lot of people are bringing up valid points that I've seen in game and here on the forums, I do have to point out something that always annoys me, and what I spent three months doing to try and prove what Order roleplay was and is suppose to be.

A lot of the times, I log on to see Order faction members or indies sitting around in Omicron Minor doing absolutely nothing while Keepers or Wilde are raiding populated systems, now, I came from a different roleplay server where I played an Order Agent, and that faction actually logged in when the Nomads were causing chaos, and we went in, did our jobs, and left without much of a word to local authorities, and if anyone remembers who Terrance Chamberlain is/was, that's exactly what he attempted doing, and it succeeded for the most part, though I'm positive no one caught on.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, I'm seeing poor Roleplay from all sides of the Order. Last I checked, it was The Orders job to protect Humanity from The Nomads, not sit at Omicron Minor/Toledo.

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[Anonymous User]

Des the leadership activity is not the Nest currently. So less Organisation.
Not a fault of the leadership. Rod and Mine rl are bussy. Dunno about sly.

There are problems. Both. Sec and prim Order caused them. Attemts vor New rps are mostly not supoorted by both. Most layers are Bussy by beeing ganked by navy and bhg Groups.
habe to go back to work...

Pt. Two later.

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[SeaFalcon]

Voted:
1. No
2. No
3. Lack of activity

Main issue with the order imo is the indies.
They have barely an example to show what to do in what situations.

As you know I come to raid minor every now and then,
Well you know the indies reaction on a 'red on scanners'

If the Order| would be more active with more people at the same time (I know that it's sometimes hard to gather people) the indies would have an better example to follow what to do in which situation e.t.c.

I doubt that this has anything to do with bad leadership.
Sometimes to many people just don't care when being in a faction

Personal rule: I 'try' to keep myself always in 1 faction because I know I wouldn't have enough time to play on all my faction chars.

[Anonymous User]

Des the leadership activity is not the Nest currently. So less Organisation.
Not a fault of the leadership. Rod and Mine rl are bussy. Dunno about sly.

There are problems. Both. Sec and prim Order caused them. Attemts vor New rps are mostly not supoorted by both. Most layers are Bussy by beeing ganked by navy and bhg Groups.
habe to go back to work...

Pt. Two later.

Most Order Players also Seen to think rp<pvp.

People like the Order tech and use IT. They Forget the Order rp. Order should not attack other humans if they Fun have to. We are the protecrors of humanity.


Work.... Pt3soon

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[sadtranslation]

Uh, I think that I'll go from the top.

Do you like the current status of the Order| ?

No, I don't like. I was in faction since my first days on Discovery and at a certain point I just stopped playing my Order| character. I think that's it. Unfortunately, Order is stagnating - since it locked itself in its system with hardly any opportunities.

Do you think that it is the fault of the Secondary?

Yes and no. The problem is in lack of opportunities. The factions with a full capital shipline are either House Navy, Quasi-Houses or IMG/CR. All of them almost live on battlegrounds and indies always have what to do. Raiding Alpha, Gamma, Texas, Hamburg, Leeds or Tau-23. Order and BHG Core have Omicron Delta, but it don't work for some reason. Order and Liberty Navy have Alaska - but Order denied this opportunity. Wars bring action. Wars require teamwork and improve skills and, finally, bring something to do.

Without active Core in Delta and Order| telling indies not to fight Navy, indies just have nothing to do. So, their Osirises, Gebs and Hathor become cannon fodder. And then comes frustration, frustration, frustration.

At the same time, Order| doesn't even punish their indies for whatever they do wrong.

Roleplay ruined.

Yes. Omicron Minor don't provide many opportunities. And at the same time, Order| don't do anything to organise smooth flow of roleplay outside the system. While NLH and Order had a kind of cooperation, I suggested some events in Newcastle several times, or not an event, but some action - that will help Order as well as IAB. Well, no result.

Currently I see only two opportunites - Order| either stagnates in Omicron Minor or takes a certain distance from indies and works hard to bring activity to Houses, plays in Bretonia, Kusari and Rheinland. There are Das Wilde and Aoi Iseijin there, there are BMD, IAB there, there are potential allies and enemies - once again, something to do.

Poor leadership.

I remember talking with Rod about how to organise Order| roleplay and we hadn't agreed. Well, I don't know what happens behind the closed doors, but I don't really like the way Order| leadership works.

I think that they got bored. (All that doesn't apply to new members such as Mario and Golanski)

Unexperienced members.

Somehow.

Ganking - Lolmorb.

This is Mino-o-o-o-or.

Poor Secondary - Primary relations.

That too. Too many subfactions such as Cerberus, TOP, TCG, whatever else.

Lack of activity.

Lack of motivation.

Lost alliances.

Are just a result of the all mentioned above.

Lack of organization.

Yes.

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[Valinor]

Des the leadership activity is not the Nest currently. So less Organisation.
Not a fault of the leadership. Rod and Mine rl are bussy. Dunno about sly.

There are problems. Both. Sec and prim Order caused them. Attemts vor New rps are mostly not supoorted by both. Most layers are Bussy by beeing ganked by navy and bhg Groups.
habe to go back to work...

Pt. Two later.

Mind you, your message is illegible. Perhalps reading what you write before sending the reply?

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[Pinko]

To the guy who said ganking was of poor taste, well, I don't see why it should be considered as such. But then again, I was told I'm not playing the game everyone else is playing.

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[Tommeh]

Look Aubrey, dunno what did you wanted to say when you mentioned Order losing Minor andToledo in same sentence with Order| going down oorp wise (which I think you are overreacting) and all the losing of alliances, it is clearly you are not familiar with all the facts.

Whole idea of Order losing Minor was created and represented to Igiss by Order| folks.
We made the original idea, worked around all the details, made a huge effort to push it in 4.86.
We predicted what will happen with Order as long as Minor and Isis is there, and wanted to create new base of operations, new atmosphere, sadly Omicron Mu and 4.86 is where it is at the moment, and there is nothing we can do about it.

Many alliances have been made to make some new interactions, some of them worked some of them failed.
None of those were made/broken cause someone just felt so, they all had RP reasons and consequences.
And all of them lead to final end, Order getting to weak and losing Minor, it fits perfectly in my opinion and I don't see a reason why do you complain about those.

I could discuss all day what is wrong with Order, yes there is a lot of mistakes, and surely it could be better.
Thing is, there is no experienced playerbase interested in Order RP to help Leadership to correct those mistakes.Basicly, Order| leadership hasn't changed for a year or so, it was always me and Rod, yes we got fed up with everything, and yes we do mistakes, I am not even part of leadership anymore, new people have been assigned in, Golanski, Mario and Sly, but basicly there is much effort needed to fix things and people don't want this game to became hard work, as everyone always say: we are here for fun, not for another job. So, I would say, it's not that terrible, Order| has it's good and bad moments, like everyone else.

Many people know to complain and whine, when you ask them for solid proof, they say, I don't take screens of every wrong doing. As long as people have this kind fo attitude nothing will change.
You see Order| behaving bad? You think it is not good enough for Official faction? Take screen talk to leadership on skype.

For a year that I was Order| leader I had what 3,4 complaints.
No one can monitor their faction members constantly, are they experienced players or noobies.
You got some complain, talk directly to leader, don't whine and Q_Q over forums and use every oportunity to flame which several people are doing it right now.

You feel like things could be better? Start from yourself, log every day for half an hour in Minor and teach indies to RP or sometimes even proper english. Surely no one will stop you. And see the result after a month or so.
Aubrey, you remember when you just got in Order|, first time I met you, you were ordering some indies around, and when I warned you not to do it, you said: it's ok, I don't over do it.

Now you complain about the very own thing which you were doing yourself, this is why I don't take your complains seriously, you just know to point out mistakes, you don't do anything to stop them, you don't suggest how to fix them and even yourself were doing them....

I went over this kind of discussions milion times, and it basicly comes down to one conclusion:
You see Order| member behaving bad in any sense, you don't like and think it does not fit a Official faction member?
Talk to Faction leader and see his opinion, he knows his faction the best, if your complain was valid, things will get fixed hopefully. If not, it's either faction leader did not think your complain was alright, or he simply can not invest more of his time in attempt to fix things.

Sad, please don't give me bull, not single time you came to me with suggestion of some Order/Gaian RP in Newcastle, all you did INRP was silenty starting to support Coalition and threat Nomads as neutral. Dunno why it was such suprise that Order/Gaian relations went down.

My 2 cents as ex faction leader.

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[Backo]

Des the leadership activity is not the Nest currently. So less Organisation.
Not a fault of the leadership. Rod and Mine rl are bussy. Dunno about sly.

There are problems. Both. Sec and prim Order caused them. Attemts vor New rps are mostly not supoorted by both. Most layers are Bussy by beeing ganked by navy and bhg Groups.
habe to go back to work...

Pt. Two later.

Most Order Players also Seen to think rp<pvp.

People like the Order tech and use IT. They Forget the Order rp. Order should not attack other humans if they Fun have to. We are the protecrors of humanity.
Work.... Pt3soon

Never seen such great RP, you deserve a Terrorist ID, k? :lol:

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