Liberty-Kusari embargo?

[McNeo]

Hey, I sent a PM urging a certain Libertonian to send the capfleet to occupy Kusari and secure the lines of supply. Nothing would please me more than a concerted invasion by the GMG, GC, BD, Liberty and Bretonia on a single house/area of systems.

I do enjoy the occasional bloodbath, but it was never my choice.

[jetblack357]

Your avatar is oddly appropriate in this instance.

Do not make fun of the goo balls.

[DarthBindo]

Oh yea, IC tried to deal with it in rp. They got a proper response from Kusari and ignored by Liberty, but right, I forgot, Kusari is the one being unreasonable.

Go complain to someone else about it, maybe Liberty.

Your both being unreasonable, and if Joe popped in here, i'd start complaining at him too.
Grrrr.....

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[Zelot]

Your both being unreasonable, and if Joe popped in here, i'd start complaining at him too.
Grrrr.....

Really? Unreasonable?

You tell me what Kusari should have done when Liberty is sending weapons and ships built with Kusari parts to kill Kusari people. Oh yea right, I forgot, the money is the most important.

When deciding on the embargo, we discussed several options to respond to the fact that our ships were being killed by Liberty ships and Liberty guns. We didn't want to fight with Liberty, we wanted them to promise they would stop giving ships and guns to Bretonia to kill us. They wouldn't, we still didn't want open combat with Liberty, so we had to find a way to respond. This was the best we could come up with. A selective embargo of 3 items. I know, that's the biggest thing ever. Horrible, Kusari will collapse because we are not exporting those three products.

Aside from rolling over to almighty Liberty and taking it the rear, I doubt any one else has any effective suggestions anyway.

Yep, it could all go away if Liberty would promise not to give ships or guns to Bretonia, they refuse, but its Kusari thats being unreasonable.......Niiiice.

So as I said, I stand by it, the Council of the Rising Suns stands by it, the rest of you can go to hell.

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[Prysin]

Zelot, the demands of kusari is like a travel agency telling north korea they gonna cancel every flight to the country unless they stop being hostile against south korea...


its a stupid demand... asking two allies to stop working together, it is simply stupid and selfish.

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[Zelot]

Zelot, the demands of kusari is like a travel agency telling north korea they gonna cancel every flight to the country unless they stop being hostile against south korea...


its a stupid demand... asking two allies to stop working together, it is simply stupid and selfish.

No, but its like the United States stopping everyone of thier flights to North Korea unless they stopped being hostile to South Korea. But....oh wait.....thats exactly what has happened.

If we were being stupid and selfish, you would probably see the RM outfitted with Chimeras and KU GB and Dessies. Right? That would be ok, the Liberty wouldnt be able to say or do anything to Kusari to stop it right?

No, that wouldnt be stupid or selfish at all.

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[Snoozzzer]

Question to the Kusarian: Where in the hell are you getting supplies to continue the war effort? How have you managed to put down the protests due to the crash of the Kusarian economy?

Currently, you have zero trade relations with other houses. You're at war with Bretonia, have established a trade embargo with Liberty and declared war on the GMG, who control the only tradelanes between yourselves and Rheinland. Care to comment on this, or will you stick with the usual "Samura has been producing an adequate amount of H-Fuel for us, and our civilians love us no matter what hardships we inflict on them"?

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[Zelot]

Question to the Kusarian: Where in the hell are you getting supplies to continue the war effort? How have you managed to put down the protests due to the crash of the Kusarian economy?

Currently, you have zero trade relations with other houses. You're at war with Bretonia, have established a trade embargo with Liberty and declared war on the GMG, who control the only tradelanes between yourselves and Rheinland. Care to comment on this, or will you stick with the usual "Samura has been producing an adequate amount of H-Fuel for us, and our civilians love us no matter what hardships we inflict on them"?

I would love to comment on that. First as I said, there are only three items that are not allowed to pass between Kusari and Liberty. It is not a full embargo and only effects those items. Second, Kusari is home to the only producer of Hfuel in Sirius aside from the GMG. Third, trade has continued without interruption between Kusari and Rhienland and the KNF and RM have been deployed to the Sigmas to make sure of it.

It's funny though, I have not seen one person mention that Liberty has been cut off from Hfuel for what? Almost six months? Hasnt seemed to have any effect on them. I would say that it is effecting Kusari about as much as an Hfuel embargo effects any house, which I guess is to say, not at all. Why would it effect Kusari more?

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[McNeo]

Every famous historical philosopher that has mentioned war has also mentioned gold. You can have men and materials, but without money, a war cannot be conducted. So yes, money is the most important factor to consider, and one which you do not need to as reported losses do not incur your treasury, a government does not really exist and there is no income to encourage one to form anyway.

First as I said, there are only three items that are not allowed to pass between Kusari and Liberty. It is not a full embargo and only effects those items.

I agree, but I imagine that your claim that the embargo only affects those items is just a little outlandish (note: British understatement). You embargo a country of similar size, liberal economy and mass privatisation of certain resources, and you get a massive decrease in trade of all goods, not just those you choose to embargo. I think you're deluding yourself if you think that an embargo on certain goods only affects those goods.

To clarify, foreign investment falls rapidly, growth in the economy stalls and consumer/supplier confidence plummets. This may happen to both sides, but I daresay Liberty's concentration of financial institutions, in particular Interspace Commerce would soften any impact compared to that which hits Kusari.

As I also imagine IC to be the only provider of commercial shipping insurance, you can bet that insurance premiums would go through the sky. I think the story of the discovery universe in general has not taken the monopoly of IC in the provision of insurance seriously, if at all.

Second, Kusari is home to the only producer of Hfuel in Sirius aside from the GMG.

Whose output is nowhere near that which is required to fuel a house. Don't claim to be self sufficient in this regard, that claim is as outlandish as your first.

Third, trade has continued without interruption between Kusari and Rhienland and the KNF and RM have been deployed to the Sigmas to make sure of it.

Great. So's Liberty's with Bretonia, without the deployment of vapourous military force to ensure consistent cooperation.

It's funny though, I have not seen one person mention that Liberty has been cut off from Hfuel for what? Almost six months?

Probably because it never should've happened, and only did because there isn't significant encouragement to view the currency component of an economy with sufficient weight, compared to the moral issues almost always overshadowed by good business practice.

Bear in mind, Liberty has responded to the ridiculousness and unrealistic actions of Kusari with unrealistic actions of its own. Namely, cracking some ice and making H-fuel out of it, converting to Deuterium as a fuel source and finding a lovely planet out in Coronado. It's as unrealistic as the situation you placed Liberty in would be, and an apt reward for a badly thought out set of actions.

[Zelot]

Every famous historical philosopher that has mentioned war has also mentioned gold. You can have men and materials, but without money, a war cannot be conducted. So yes, money is the most important factor to consider, and one which you do not need to as reported losses do not incur your treasury, a government does not really exist and there is no income to encourage one to form anyway.



I agree, but I imagine that your claim that the embargo only affects those items is just a little outlandish (note: British understatement). You embargo a country of similar size, liberal economy and mass privatisation of certain resources, and you get a massive decrease in trade of all goods, not just those you choose to embargo. I think you're deluding yourself if you think that an embargo on certain goods only affects those goods.



Whose output is nowhere near that which is required to fuel a house. Don't claim to be self sufficient in this regard, that claim is as outlandish as your first.



Great. So's Liberty's with Bretonia, without the deployment of vapourous military force to ensure consistent cooperation.



Probably because it never should've happened, and only did because there isn't significant encouragement to view the currency component of an economy with sufficient weight, compared to the moral issues almost always overshadowed by good business practice.

Bear in mind, Liberty has responded to the ridiculousness and unrealistic actions of Kusari with unrealistic actions of its own. Namely, cracking some ice and making H-fuel out of it, converting to Deuterium as a fuel source and finding a lovely planet out in Coronado. It's as unrealistic as the situation you placed Liberty in would be, and an apt reward for a badly thought out set of actions.

Ah yes, the "Liberty can do whatever it wants with no repercussions" argument. Yea, I dont buy it, hence we tried to find some way in rp to hold Liberty responsible for giving Bretonia weapons to kill Kusari. This is what we came up with..... I even think you were part of the discussions. I have still to hear any other good options from anyone except "take it in the rear from Liberty." So, until such time as someone has another suggestion, you can all, as I previously said, go to hell.

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