Liberty-Kusari embargo?

[McNeo]

Ah yes, the "Liberty can do whatever it wants with no repercussions" argument. Yea, I dont buy it, hence we tried to find some way in rp to hold Liberty responsible for giving Bretonia weapons to kill Kusari. This is what we came up with..... I even think you were part of the discussions. I have still to hear any other good options from anyone except "take it in the rear from Liberty." So, until such time as someone has another suggestion, you can all, as I previously said, go to hell.

Doesn't the world wish that they can say that to America :rolleyes:

As it stands, only China can.

[mwerte]

Doesn't the world wish that they can say that to America

and that will be an interesting day.

"BANG! I shot you!"
"No, you missed!"
"Nuh-uh"

RP consequences; :cool:

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[Zukeenee]

For Pete's sake, Liberty, please work something out with Kusari in-RP about this embargo because I am sick of enforcing it.

I don't care whether or not is supposedly destroying Kusari's economy. It's a stupid discussion. I just care about having fewer items on my list that I have to check every transport for. Kusari already has some pretty substantial trade-regulations and illegal cargo. Crossing out just three of them for Liberty would make my job marginally easier.

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[Primitive]

For Pete's sake, Liberty, please work something out with Kusari in-RP about this embargo because I am sick of enforcing it.

I don't care whether or not is supposedly destroying Kusari's economy. It's a stupid discussion. I just care about having fewer items on my list that I have to check every transport for. Kusari already has some pretty substantial trade-regulations and illegal cargo. Crossing out just three of them for Liberty would make my job marginally easier.

Its ok Commander Yammakazi and Zelot aren't in love anymore, so embargo will probably be removed.

[Zelot]

Its ok Commander Yammakazi and Zelot aren't in love anymore, so embargo will probably be removed.

We never wanted an embargo, we set it up with the hope that Liberty would see the value Kusari has to them and promise to stop giving ships and guns to the Bretonians to kill Kusari with. I think its a pretty reasonable request. It's a shame that the Liberty government has decided that instead of trying to rp a solution with us, they would just pretend that the whole thing is not happening at all.

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[Rodent]

Let's get something straight here. Are we seriously dragging the discussion about this Embargo into the economic domain? God's sake, Freelancer is a very imperfect game and we are trying to roleplay the leaders of what is essentially millions of people, in our spare time with whatever imagination and thoughts we can come up with.

But since we're discussing economics, let's get a simple axiom together. Economic activities flow both ways. Kusari supplies raw materials to liberty, and it also provides a huge ready market for liberty made goods. Someone here made an argument about Kusari businesses losing money and creating an unemployment crisis. in theory, Liberty will go through the larger of the crises in time, because they have lost a huge market. But since the embargo is only for a couple of goods, the effects are very restricted. So economic factors are not a huge consideration for either house.

Kusari is not a parliamentary state. If Carina wanted to get something done, the best she could hope for is that the party in power will agree with her opinion and get the required bills passed et cetera. However, Kusari's Emperor, in a symbiotic relationship with Samura, the larger of the Kieretsu exercises a very real control over Kusari politics. If we allow for the personality and power of the Emperor, and the bad PR that Samura and Kishiro will probably be getting because of news-mongers screaming Supplying those people who kill our brave pilots or something along those lines.

So I think that this decision did not actually effect the current balance of power much. Long term, there will be effects, but seriously...are we going to play this game for a long term?

[DarthBindo]

I don't think anyone ever rp's any embargoes.
They're fairly useless tools that only hurt the traders.
Blargh.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Zelot]

I don't think anyone ever rp's any embargoes.
They're fairly useless tools that only hurt the traders.
Blargh.

Without them, house governments have very little room for rp aside from "we love you" or "we shoot at you" and I personally like having more color to Sirius than that.

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[Queekitch]

Really? Unreasonable?

You tell me what Kusari should have done when Liberty is sending weapons and ships built with Kusari parts to kill Kusari people. Oh yea right, I forgot, the money is the most important.

When deciding on the embargo, we discussed several options to respond to the fact that our ships were being killed by Liberty ships and Liberty guns. We didn't want to fight with Liberty, we wanted them to promise they would stop giving ships and guns to Bretonia to kill us. They wouldn't, we still didn't want open combat with Liberty, so we had to find a way to respond. This was the best we could come up with. A selective embargo of 3 items. I know, that's the biggest thing ever. Horrible, Kusari will collapse because we are not exporting those three products.

Aside from rolling over to almighty Liberty and taking it the rear, I doubt any one else has any effective suggestions anyway.

Yep, it could all go away if Liberty would promise not to give ships or guns to Bretonia, they refuse, but its Kusari thats being unreasonable.......Niiiice.

So as I said, I stand by it, the Council of the Rising Suns stands by it, the rest of you can go to hell.

It's not just about "money", it's the economic wellbeing of the nation. Nations aren't people, Zelot. They don't just collect money to roll around in like Scrooge McDuck, they collect it to support the state and (in this case) buy weapons.
The Liberty-Bretonnia trade only included a few snubs and weapons from the sound of it, nothing massive enough to warrant an embargo, especially seeing as
1.) An embargo of 3 items is a pretty big thing if you only export like a dozen things.
2.) Liberty probably has H-fuel reserves meaning a short-term embargo of H-fuel would be about as effective as a fart in an empty bottle.
3.) After centuries of trade with Liberty, the entire market would've been adjusted to it. The embargo would wreck this and cause some pretty massive fluctuations and large-scale. Imagine the Globalisation we have now and add 800 years of peaceful cooperation and trade to it.
4.) Embargoing a house is a bit different than embargoing a nation. There's only four lawful houses that are really viable for one thing. And those houses each control about a quarter of the part of Sirius where all the goods are. Kusari embargoing Liberty would be more like Asia embargoing North America than your analogy of the U.S. embargoing North Korea.

Yes Liberty would be hurt by the embargo, but the massive hit to Kusari's economy and international relations would do far more damage to Kusari than half a dozen snubs with magma hammers could ever hope to do.

[Zelot]

It's not just about "money", it's the economic wellbeing of the nation. Nations aren't people, Zelot. They don't just collect money to roll around in like Scrooge McDuck, they collect it to support the state and (in this case) buy weapons.
The Liberty-Bretonnia trade only included a few snubs and weapons from the sound of it, nothing massive enough to warrant an embargo, especially seeing as
1.) An embargo of 3 items is a pretty big thing if you only export like a dozen things.
2.) Liberty probably has H-fuel reserves meaning a short-term embargo of H-fuel would be about as effective as a fart in an empty bottle.
3.) After centuries of trade with Liberty, the entire market would've been adjusted to it. The embargo would wreck this and cause some pretty massive fluctuations and large-scale. Imagine the Globalisation we have now and add 800 years of peaceful cooperation and trade to it.
4.) Embargoing a house is a bit different than embargoing a nation. There's only four lawful houses that are really viable for one thing. And those houses each control about a quarter of the part of Sirius where all the goods are. Kusari embargoing Liberty would be more like Asia embargoing North America than your analogy of the U.S. embargoing North Korea.

Yes Liberty would be hurt by the embargo, but the massive hit to Kusari's economy and international relations would do far more damage to Kusari than half a dozen snubs with magma hammers could ever hope to do.

I actually dont agree with a single point in your post. They are all based on your assumptions about the international relations and economics of Sirius. Everyone has their opinion about those things, and most of them are different. Yours are no more valid than mine.

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