Aoi Iseijin General Information and Place to cry your eyes out

[SnakThree]

Awesome. Thanks for answer. Take care.

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[chopper]

A quick edit to respond more directly to chopper's insistent question:

SRPs: Should the Aoi Iseijin fill them out for each ship?


Kusari has almost as many faction ship types as there are grains of sand on a beach. Rheinland has Rheinland Military and.. well.. nouveau Hessian ships. That's it. Everything else is civilian tech. Is it surprising that the Aoi Iseijin have a slightly more varied array of craft?

I already said it long time ago, but since you weren't involved in the discussion back then, I'll repeat it.One wilde SRP

2.
Character Name: All characters in faction
Forum Name: Wilde Eselin
Item Requested: use of an Odin VHF with Wilde ID
Background RP:
-Wilde Eselin
Admin Link to Request: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=49612

3.
Character Name: Volf.Grissom
Forum Name: Rudo
Item Requested: Manta as a Das Wilde pilot.
Background RP:
-To Fly With Valkyries
Admin Link to Request: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=49076

So, to put it bluntly, Das Wilde has done it's SRP'ing. They even asked the SRP for an Eagle. Would you ask for a Eagle SRP? No you wouldn't.
Aoi Isejiin doesn't have a SRP for any ships they use.

If we look at the rules, you should be allowed to use only ships sold on Tekagi's Arch.

Also, you are not correct about the Hessians being the only ones with their ships.
For example, Bundies fly Sabres. Does this give the right to Das Wilde to get 10 Sabres and RP Bundschuh Wilde? No it doesn't.
Unioners have an Arbeiter. If Das Wilde wants an Arbeiter, they will have to ask for a SRP.
Das Wilde also meets a lot of Corsairs in the Omegas. Imagine our shock if we started seeing Das Wilde Imperators and Titans with no SRP...

It's obviously wrong.

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Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Athenian]

The issue of this faction's ships and weapons has emerged here yet again as a source of some confusion.

From the original faction creation request:

Most of us will be flying Kusari Naval Forces ships such as the Chimaera or the Umibozu, coupled with the odd gunboat and Blood Dragon ship, although we will also be using the shiplines of other Kusarian factions as soon as we have established ourselves. Loadouts will fit the individual ship and may or may not contain Nomad equipment.

The approved SRP (to the best of my knowledge) is the one for "a few Infernos, Krakens and perhaps some Sabres and Falcatas" which was requested because "the Iseijin use alot of Kusari Ships with Kusari Tech, this is for the Trappers. Hunters however using Kusari Tech with Nomad Guns is suspitious, and draws attention to the secrecy of the Iseijin. Using Outcast Tech draws attention away from the Iseijin, meaning Hunters can hunt without people being suspitious of them being Iseijin."

Is it surprising that the Aoi Iseijin have a slightly more varied array of craft? If it's more than "Kusari Naval Forces ships such as the Chimaera or the Umibozu, coupled with the odd gunboat and Blood Dragon ship" then yes. The ships mentioned above are what was approved.

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[Ayem]

Rules, rules, rules.

Your rules, their rules, my rules?

Old rules, new rules, those rules, whose rules?

Why do Das Wilde place SRPs for ships? Because they are not within the Das Wilde official ship list.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...25332&st=20

WILDE SHIPS
72-ARKM-G27 Phantom
A small section of Das Wilde is comprised of former police officers who have been infested during joint Kriegsmarine-Polize operations which have involved Das Wilde. These pilots are more suited to the mechanisms of the Phantom fighter, and thus are alloted them. Some regular Wilde pilots also are alloted this fighter because of it's unique make and high speed, and less imposing appearance, allowing it to more easily blend into ordinary government traffic.
90-ARKM-N9 Valkyrie
The former primary ship of the Rheinland Military. Often used by Wilde patrols and heavily outfitted and modified with Nomad technology. Typically used in a cannon fodder role to swarm the enemy or for lightning fast raids.
90-ARKM-N45 Wraith
The current primary ship of the Rheinland Military. Typically used by more elite Wilde patrols due to its slightly higher rarity among Wilde accessible groups in a general role to combat snub ships and make patrols and raids.
140-ARKM-N58 Snubnose
The current primary bomber ship of the Rheinland Military. Used in the same fashion by the Wilde, utilizing Nomad torpedoes and stolen Rheinland technology to bombard in raids and in the very rare open battles between Wilde and Military forces.
Schonhausen-class Gunboat
Das Wilde have a few Rheinland Gunboats still operational that they use for covert missions into Rheinland. Parts for these ships are becoming harder to obtain and their flight time is becoming limited.
Scorpion Gunboat
Only very recently seen, appears to not have a pilot. Shell and technology appears to bear a strange resemblance to a fragment of a classified document related to the Convoy 99 incident sealed within the now destroyed St Uters Hardcopy Datarchive. Appears to be operated by more matured specimens, suggesting a leadership node role over the smaller ships unless strategy necessitates the use of smaller ships or resources would be benefited by it. Sighted only during major assults by the Wild it is known to exist only because of sensor logs surviving the ships it has destroyed.

As Nomads infest humans, both voluntarily and involuntarily, The Wild gain access to other ships and technology. Many infested humans use the ships they are native to.

Rumors about that Das Wilde have capital class vessels taken from the Rheinland fleet but these rumors are unsubstantiated and no one claims to have actually seen one. At least no one alive.

Why do the Aoi Iseijin not place SRPs for Kusari ships? Because they're in Aoi Iseijin official ship list.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...mp;#entry742736

Taskgroups and Ranking


Mandate of Heaven is a Nomad entity present within a Togo, and is the superior mindnode of the Hunter task group. The Mandate of Heaven is often found on the edges of occupied space, observing and learning from all that it meets. The Sahaquiel has been seen acting almost like a bodyguard.

Sahaquiel is a Nomad entity present within a Kagutsuchi, and is the minor mindnode of the Hunter task group. Wherever the Hunters are, the Sahaquiel is always close by, watching and dictating, acting almost like a server to organise the smaller ships.

The Hunters are the overt arm of the Aoi Iseijin, their tactics often include luring unsuspecting prey into improvised traps or slipping into battles and dispatching high value targets before either side knows what's happening. Hunters have been seen in a large variety of Kusari ships, ranging from criminals to armed forces, this only adds the confusion.

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Technology and Ships Used


The Remnants of Tekagi are found to use a variety of ships from within Kusari, usually Naval or Dragon ships, though often the infected keep ships or tech from their previous lives. These ships are known to be hybridised with Nomad Weaponary.

Ship usage is primarily governed by ID, secondarily governed by permission.
An Aoi Iseijin ID does not exist at present. What Das Wilde can use, the Iseijin cannot, and vice versa. Yet they use the same ID.
The Aoi Iseijin therefore take ship usage from permission, granted implicitly and explicitly at the time of faction creation.

I have no idea where you got the notion that factions can only use ships that happen to be on their own bases.

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[Boss]

If we look at the rules, you should be allowed to use only ships sold on Tekagi's Arch.

Just wanted to comment on this bit. Technically the Iseijin can use ships sold on The Arch, Meerbusch, Bottrop, Hirschfield, and Recklinghausen.

If we want to get all nitpicky.

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Just go play the game and have fun dammit.

all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.

[chopper]

Just wanted to comment on this bit. Technically the Iseijin can use ships sold on The Arch, Meerbusch, Bottrop, Hirschfield, and Recklinghausen.

If we want to get all nitpicky.

Alright, fair enough. Is Katana sold on those bases?

Is it surprising that the Aoi Iseijin have a slightly more varied array of craft? If it's more than "Kusari Naval Forces ships such as the Chimaera or the Umibozu, coupled with the odd gunboat and Blood Dragon ship" then yes. The ships mentioned above are what was approved.

Exactly. And it turns out to be, as I said already:
Chimaera, Katana, Scimittar, Wassupu, BD bomber, Kusari bomber, GMG bomber, GMG HF, Mamoru, Hogosha VHF, GC VHF, GC bomber, Kusari gunboat, Kusari destroyer, Kusari Battleship, to a lesser extent BD gunboats, BD destroyer, Togo, all sorts of transports, Raba... I think that's about it.
Can we have an admin input about Aoi Isejiin using any ships they want?
Also, if I may add, those ships were seen using technology that doesn't match. Meaning, when Akura says they'll be using Suncannons, they'll be mounted on Chimaeras I suppose, even though they said they won't be doing these things.

Loadouts will fit the individual ship and may or may not contain Nomad equipment.

Bucket,

Why do Das Wilde place SRPs for ships? Because they are not within the Das Wilde official ship list.
Why do the Aoi Iseijin not place SRPs for Kusari ships? Because they're in Aoi Iseijin official ship list.

Excuse me, Bucket, but please compare their writeup with yours. While they put every individual ship they'll be using, you just said "large variety of ships".
What does this mean exactly? Can someone from your faction make a list of the ships you are allowed to use, like Das Wilde did?
If you've put it like Das Wilde did, I bet people would actually see what's going on, instead of just skipping that part of text.
How does Scimittar fit in to those?

I have no idea where you got the notion that factions can only use ships that happen to be on their own bases.

Here

* In all cases, characters may purchase and use ships and weapons that are sold on bases that belong to the same faction as their faction ID regardless of color coding.

Let me explain it a bit. Chimaera is red to you, but it's sold on your base. Therefore, you can use it.
You can't use anything else without a SRP. That's how the rules work.
There's no rule saying "Approved factions keep the right to use whatever they said in their faction request".
No such thing. Never been, hopefully never will be.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Divine]

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There's no rule saying "Approved factions keep the right to use whatever they said in their faction request".
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First quote where it's stated that such isn't a "rule".
Second, a faction gets approved with what's said on their faction request. So when they're approved a wide varity of Kusarian, Civilian and Borderworlds ships the point they got official, then they're allowed to use them.
What's not to understand with that, ... honestly it looks as you just do not want them to use the ships they do, I question for what reason, as everything, even as said by an admin in this thread, is in order.

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[Ayem]

Let me explain it a bit. Chimaera is red to you, but it's sold on your base. Therefore, you can use it.
You can't use anything else without a SRP. That's how the rules work.
There's no rule saying "Approved factions keep the right to use whatever they said in their faction request".
No such thing. Never been, hopefully never will be.

Frankly, that's balls. Every faction has the right to use whatever they said in their accepted and confirmed faction request. Faction requests go through reviews and revisions until they are deemed appropriate. If they aren't deemed appropriate they don't get through -until they are revised-, if at all. Therefore, the broad use of Kusari ships by the Hunters in the Aoi Iseijin is covered.

If the higher powers wish to reopen negotiations about the technology usage, that is up to them. However, you claim our usage breaks rules. I say that it does not.

If there was an Aoi Iseijin ID that said "*may use Kusari ships." we wouldn't be having this argument.

The Aoi Iseijin have chosen not to use the Scorpion Drone, they have chosen not to thieve Nom ships. Instead they use Kusari ships because -it fits their RP-.

Perhaps you only see the Hunters when they're raiding or defending Tohoku, in which case we bring what we have- often a mix match of different ships. Hunters are just as often alone, or in groups of two where their ships synergise more closely.

We are a limited number of players. We are trying to present an eclectic image because that is what our RP requires of us.

The Aoi Iseijin hold no personal or political grudges in Kusari, we want to unite it. Bring it into the fold.

If there was a Bretonian flying saucer faction with a similar objective, they would use Bretonian ships, Molly ships, Gaian ships because when they aren't mobbing people they're following other agendas. Talking to people, intimidating people, slowing transports with essential goods to one base, speeding them up to another, hindering trade under one flag, supporting the revolution under another.

Or would you prefer we all flew Scorpions and wtfpwned everything in sight?

I prefer our current path, thank you very much.

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[chopper]

...even as said by an admin in this thread, is in order.

Is it surprising that the Aoi Iseijin have a slightly more varied array of craft? If it's more than "Kusari Naval Forces ships such as the Chimaera or the Umibozu, coupled with the odd gunboat and Blood Dragon ship" then yes. The ships mentioned above are what was approved.

Maybe I didn't understand his post very well, but it seems to me he's actually stating quite the opposite.
Read the bold part.

Second, a faction gets approved with what's said on their faction request. So when they're approved a wide varity of Kusarian, Civilian and Borderworlds ships the point they got official, then they're allowed to use them.

So if I write in my faction creation request that we try to backstab our opponents (or that we are mute), and it gets approved, I can go around and kill people without saying a word?
Is this what you are trying to explain to me?

Rules are there to be respected.
Rule: You can't use technology that is red to you in the tech chart, unless it's sold on the base that you own.
Rule: You can use the technology that is red to you if you submit a SRP and get approved.

It's that simple.
No such thing as "We said it in our faction request and it was approved" thing in the rules.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[VoluptaBox]

Character Name: Aoi Iseijin Faction
Forum Name: Akurawr / Exile
Item Requested: Iseijin ships using Wild ID with Outcast Tech
Background RP: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=68030
Admin Link to request: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=68673

This is how you got access to all Outcast tech? Cool story bro!