Relative Faction/House Millitary Strength...

[Ursus]

The main problem I'm seeing here is there's no definitive way of knowing who has what.

That's why I used stationary battleships. If those are supposed to represent a fleet, then Kusari is weakest and Bretonia is nearly as strong as Liberty.

Kusari needs more battleships anyway.

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[Benjamin]

Didn't one guy add a bunch of stationary BSs to Rhein ages ago, for no particular reason?

Imo, no point looking at this post-vanilla, as Disco changes are...erratic.

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[Hidamari]

If there was an inter colonial super war right now, who'd win.

thats the thing though isnt it, nobody would win.

to be honest, Outcasts would win if this ever happened, they are the only faction nomads wouldnt totaly annihilate. nomads being quietly tucked away the rest of humanity including gallia had just raped themselves into oblivion, nomads would just come along and wipe the rest away which is what they have been waiting to do since forever.

so, outcasts/nomads win.

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[ProwlerPC]

One of the Houses you put on your list was defeated by GMG hands down in an 80 yr long war. Why isn't GMG up there? The only only other group that ever ever defeated a house was Kusari's Naval Forces that kept it's advance on Bretonnia but it appears that war hasn't reached it's conclusion before being interrupted. Has any of the other houses defeated a house? Has any of the Hispanics managed to defeat a house? The GMG victory is vanilla not some disco add on either.

edit add: but.....McNeo makes a pretty good point in his post

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[dodike]

This thread is just a popularity contest for factions and doesn't provide any accurate insight into military strength of faction/houses.

[Daedric]

I'd defer to the development spread sheet Aet is refering too. The development team is the group that actually dictates this type of thing. While Alvin may have a point regarding its usage, you can't ignore it because it says something you don't like. The development team made the spreadsheet for a reason - it is a guide for them. They aren't going to throw it out on a whim due to a single event. If Rheinland was to go belly up - I'd wager it would be done over a period of time in which events caused them to drop ranks on that spreadsheet until they were at a point in which it would be logical for them to be made belly up.

While I love the SCRA, I have to agree with Aet. I see zero lore from the developmnt team that indicates the SCRA could challenge any of the house militaries. Of course, in game actions do contradict lore and that is why most in game PvP stuff isn't acknowledged in lore. That is because I could take a Zoner cap ship and claim New York if I wanted. :crazy:

As for Zoners? Sure we may be able to mount an effective defense of a station that has cap ships defending it. Won't be able to defend them all though. To spread out and the house militaries are stronger.

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[Knjaz]

One of the Houses you put on your list was defeated by GMG hands down in an 80 yr long war. Why isn't GMG up there? The only only other group that ever ever defeated a house was Kusari's Naval Forces that kept it's advance on Bretonnia but it appears that war hasn't reached it's conclusion before being interrupted. Has any of the other houses defeated a house? Has any of the Hispanics managed to defeat a house? The GMG victory is vanilla not some disco add on either.

edit add: but.....McNeo makes a pretty good point in his post

GMG done something nobody managed to even get close to since humanity went into Industrial Era and started to fully rely on technology. It's just a make-up by D.A. A faction that has it's cosine equal to 4 in times of war. Can't beat that.

So if you want to count in 80-years war to measure GMG strenght, then you should put GMG above Gallia.

[dodike]

GMG done something nobody managed to even get close to since humanity went into Industrial Era and started to fully rely on technology. It's just a make-up by D.A. A faction that has it's cosine equal to 4 in times of war. Can't beat that.

So if you want to count in 80-years war to measure GMG strenght, then you should put GMG above Gallia.

Well, that would be true if GMG conquered Rheinland in 80 Years War but they didn't. GMG fully relied on technology that was specialised for use in clouds which Rheinland didn't have.

I can understand why is the precedent of snubs pwning caps in vanilla role bothering you.

[farmerman]

Ok, I'll also add some arbitrary numbers into the discussion!

Gallia - They're supposed to be the biggest, so we'll go with that. They have that supply line issue though, so I doubt they could ever bring the full force to attack.

Liberty - They have super fancy technology and high numbers. They also have the ability to support the military.

Kusari - They're way weaker than they had been in the past, but at present they're still managing to expand and are the only House not at war. Not to mention all the veterans of a successful military campaign (one of the few). If they play their cards right, they should be able to move up.

Rheinland - They have a tough military, but they're so confused in Disco I'm not even sure where to put them. Going into vanilla they could barely afford to pay their people, and then they burned through most resources building up in the SP war. They probably do have a lot more nomad science though to make up for it, but manpower must be getting low.

Bretonia - They have the biggest potential pool for soldiers, but they keep getting the crap hammered out of them, which has left them depleted. If they had a chance to catch their breath and recover, they'd be able to jump way up, but they're pinned right now.

Other - Everyone else. They may be able to do damage, but they'd never be able to stand face to face with one of the Houses. They include...

GMG - Skilled pilots in certain environments, they should be able to guerilla warfare most people into submission as long as they can stay in their nebula (also having House support helps). The results of a true head-to-head military battle would be Samura ruling the h-fuel market, if you know what I mean.

Outcasts - They have that cardamine advantage but every time someone dies, it's a big hit with the issues of fertility. The fact they aren't really in big competition helps them a bit, though with Gallia nearby who knows?

Hessians - They keep getting more and more pilots, giving them the ability to cause damage. But like the GMG, they need to use the environment.

Corsairs - They have super skilled pilots, but they have that super high mortality rate balancing it out. That's why the rumors are suggesting the Hessians are winning - Corsairs are better but they can't stop the Hessian rush.

Can anyone else even enter the picture? The IMG have lots of ships, but their way of surviving in 37 is through hiding. Zoners are impossible to get a handle on, given all the info from vanilla apparently doesn't count (the less than 5k people thing would make them a little on the weak side). The Order seems likewise confused lorewise. Any of the groups who are routinely put into check by police forces are also nowhere near this list.

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[Benjamin]

Something to bear in mind with the 80 year war is that GMG won mostly because they couldn't lose. Aomori was invincible. Rheinland took everything else and sat around for 80 years unable to finish the job.

For vanilla, I guess lib>bret>ku>rhein>>>gmg>corsair>outcast>hessians? with nothing else of significance. that's postgame, after nomads messed up the latter two houses, i guess.

as for disco, who knows

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