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Camtheman
04-16-2012, 02:29 AM,
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I was just thinking about how Gallia is said to be equal to 2 houses...

So what do you think?

I think it goes like this.

Gallia > Nomads > Liberty > Rhienland > Kusari > Bretonia > Corsairs > Outcasts > Zoners > Coalition > Everyone Else

Your opinion, analyisis?

Don't include 'economic' strength.

Only millitary.

If there was an inter colonial super war right now, who'd win.

That type of thing.
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Offline Gentlefood
04-16-2012, 02:47 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-16-2012, 02:48 AM by Gentlefood.)
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Hard to judge, especially quality over quantity. Supposedly Rheinland has some of the best snubcraft pilots to counter Liberty's large cap fleet.

Also Kusari recently got destroyed by Gallia so knock them down a lot of pegs.

There really hasn't been much words on Nomad strength, but apparently they had enough strength to destroy two 'minor house'-like fleets and destroy a planet.

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Offline Vahir
04-16-2012, 03:13 AM,
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Liberty would win. Although Gallia is stronger in the immediate sense, attrition combined with the fact that they have to fight both Sirius and the Council with help Liberty, which can defeat pretty much anyone anyway. Besides, Bretonia and Kusari stand in the way, too weak to pose a threat to liberty, and too strong for Gallia to conquer quick enough. Meanwhile, Liberty can wipe out Rheinland. As for the Nomads, an eventual Nomad-Liberty war would make the latter the victor.
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Offline lw'nafh
04-16-2012, 03:26 AM,
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' Wrote:Liberty would win. Although Gallia is stronger in the immediate sense, attrition combined with the fact that they have to fight both Sirius and the Council with help Liberty, which can defeat pretty much anyone anyway. Besides, Bretonia and Kusari stand in the way, too weak to pose a threat to liberty, and too strong for Gallia to conquer quick enough. Meanwhile, Liberty can wipe out Rheinland. As for the Nomads, an eventual Nomad-Liberty war would make the latter the victor.
No.

I believe it's been stated that Gallia has enough warships on reserve to steamroll half of Sirius if they put them into activate duty.

And Liberty hasn't wiped out Rheinland yet, either. Rheinland is low on resources? Rheinland was ALWAYS low on resources. They know how to make them work.

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04-16-2012, 03:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-16-2012, 03:39 AM by Daedric.)
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Economoic strength is part of military strength. It is rather idiotic to try to make a comparision in regards to power and dismiss the very base of their power.

As far as I can tell from the current lore taking into account only military size and operational strength:

Gallia > Liberty > Kusari > Rheinland > Bretonia

The Outcasts and Corsairs have very small militaries compared to the houses and would stand zero chance if one of them decided to turn their aggression on them. Same for the Zoners, Colonials, and the Coalition.

In a full on Sector War?

It all depends on who allies with who.

I doubt Kusari would ally with Gallia or Rheinland against Liberty, they stand to gain very little from a war with Liberty in which Gallia wouldn't be able to help Kusari with without considerable help from Kusari. Bretonia is likely going to depend on Liberty for help against Gallia.

Rheinland likely wouldn't survive making war on another house - Liberty is in the front seat in their war and splitting their forces will likely cause all fronts to fail. Remember when they opened a conflict with Bretonia? Oh and then there is the fact that the Hessians would probably take that chance to also strike at the Rheinland government too.

Bretonia isn't in the position to be able to win - only survive if they made smart choices.

Gallia? Their achillies heel is the fact they are unable to support their excessively large military for much longer, much less support it if it advances further into Sirius.

I doubt there'd be much of a winner - such a war would drain the resources of all that participated. Weakening them and making it easier on the smaller factions who wage wars on them daily.

' Wrote:No.

I believe it's been stated that Gallia has enough warships on reserve to steamroll half of Sirius if they put them into activate duty.

And Liberty hasn't wiped out Rheinland yet, either. Rheinland is low on resources? Rheinland was ALWAYS low on resources. They know how to make them work.

Yes, Gallia does have enough warships to steamroll - the lore also very clearly says Gallia is running despertely low on resources - part of the reason for the invasion starting ahead of schedule.

Liberty hasn't wiped out Rheinland because Liberty's goal isn't to wipe out Rheinland. Lore seems to indicate Liberty is in the war for economic reasons in addition to being after specific things from Rheinland. Not there to destroy them.

Rheinland wasn't always low on resources - Rheinland was the power before the 80 Years war. They wasted their strength in that war because of inept leadership.

' Wrote:While Liberty is a strong house it simply cannot stand up against Gallia on it's own with the war with Rheinland still ongoing, Gallia easily knocked Kusari out of the war and is steam-rolling Bretonia even with aid from Liberty, the Council and it's allies. It's all a matter of time unless something unexpected happens.

Read the lore. Gallia has no resources. How do you win a war when you can no longer field a military?

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Offline Tabris
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While Liberty is a strong house it simply cannot stand up against Gallia on it's own with the war with Rheinland still ongoing, Gallia easily knocked Kusari out of the war and is steam-rolling Bretonia even with aid from Liberty, the Council and it's allies. It's all a matter of time unless something unexpected happens.
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04-16-2012, 03:52 AM,
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Daedric, I beg to differ. It's stated in vanilla lore, IIRC, that Rheinland started in an area that was horrible for resources. They were the superpower, yes, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a hard time getting there.

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Offline Gentlefood
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' Wrote:Daedric, I beg to differ. It's stated in vanilla lore, IIRC, that Rheinland started in an area that was horrible for resources. They were the superpower, yes, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a hard time getting there.

I think you need to reread that. Liberty chose their location to be the center of trade. While Rheinland arriving second, chose their location due to the abundance of resources.

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' Wrote:Daedric, I beg to differ. It's stated in vanilla lore, IIRC, that Rheinland started in an area that was horrible for resources. They were the superpower, yes, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a hard time getting there.

I was certain that Rheinland started in an area abundant with resources as that is how they amassed their powerful military. That military is what drained their resources - they did much the same thing Gallia did if you think about it. Cept Gallia hasn't wasted their military in a war yet. They might be doing it right now though.

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Assigning arbitrary numbers here, for comparison.

Gallia: 100,000
Liberty: 35,000
Bretonia: 20,000
Rheinland: 20,000
Kusari: 15,000
Corsairs: 5,000
GMG: 5,000
Outcasts: 4,500
Red Hessians: 4,000
Colonial Republic: 4,000
The Nomads: 3,750
Coalition: 3,750
Zoners: 3,000
The Order: 2,550
Mollys: 2,000
Blood Dragons: 1,000
The Wild: 750
Phantoms: 500


At least, that's based on my understanding of lore. The numbers aren't meant to represent their actual strength in ships, manpower, or anything like that, only their comparative strengths. I don't remember numbers of station or planet populations and whatnot. These are educated guesses.

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