' Wrote:That sure is covered by the rules.
That is not what Dab stated. Dab answered to Reptile. Read the two quotes in my first reply here. Or look for yourself in Dabs post above that.
This was Dab's answer.
' Wrote:Yes, it is against the rules. A pirating demand counts as an engagement, as established by a plethora of sanctions resulting from it.
Which is what I was referring too and yes. If the pirate makes his demand and you as the victim run and the pirate is unable to do any damage to you (sucky pirate eh?) and you dock and switch ships, you are breaking a rule. You were engaged, you died when you docked (if the pirate was in range to get the green message).
I'd call BS if he made a demand from more than 4k away and never got any closer than that, but it is up to the admins really.
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If the pirate makes his demand and you as the victim run and the pirate is unable to do any damage to you (sucky pirate eh?) and you dock and switch ships, you are breaking a rule. You were engaged, you died when you docked (if the pirate was in range to get the green message).
I'd call BS if he made a demand from more than 4k away and never got any closer than that, but it is up to the admins really.
[08.06.2011 23:35:07] Divine: That would basically mean, if I as a pirate see a military ship, I can make a demand, whilst not shooting at it, nor cd'ing it, just saying I want money or something else... and then I patiently wait, taken the officer will ignore me bc I do not engage him in any way, till he docks...
[08.06.2011 23:35:22] Divine: to have him in need leaving the system bc he fled from my pirating
[08.06.2011 23:43:35] Divine: But hey, even better...
[08.06.2011 23:44:15] Divine: I make system-wide demands to all the military ships, ofc calling every one of them by name to be sure, and when they get bored of searching me and leave the system, I got a free-card.
[08.06.2011 23:44:42] Divine: Docking with a jump-gate is counted a pvp-death, so I'm after them leaving, save from them later engaging me even in other systems.
Call it crap if the pirate makes a demand outside the actual scanner range even, but hey... nowhere in the rules is stated what the max distance for a legit demand is, so as it is now, every range is the perfect range.
' Wrote:[08.06.2011 23:35:07] Divine: That would basically mean, if I as a pirate see a military ship, I can make a demand, whilst not shooting at it, nor cd'ing it, just saying I want money or something else... and then I patiently wait, taken the officer will ignore me bc I do not engage him in any way, till he docks...
[08.06.2011 23:35:22] Divine: to have him in need leaving the system bc he fled from my pirating
[08.06.2011 23:43:35] Divine: But hey, even better...
[08.06.2011 23:44:15] Divine: I make system-wide demands to all the military ships, ofc calling every one of them by name to be sure, and when they get bored of searching me and leave the system, I got a free-card.
[08.06.2011 23:44:42] Divine: Docking with a jump-gate is counted a pvp-death, so I'm after them leaving, save from them later engaging me even in other systems.
Call it crap if the pirate makes a demand outside the actual scanner range even, but hey... nowhere in the rules is stated what the max distance for a legit demand is, so as it is now, every range is the perfect range.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to argue. Hone gave you a sanction that validates what Dab said. As for your examples, you are merely exaggerating. We both know if you filed a sanction report on those military pilots for returning to the system after your system wide demand, the admins would either laugh at it or sanction you for being an idiot.
So... say that a dreadnought is busy docking on a base, and a pirate ID'd starflea issues a demand to the dreadnought before it docks. Does that mean that the dreadnought is now dead?
well the sanction was for SWITCHING ships, I think technically falling under the "disconnecting from server during player interaction" - you disconect to switch - rule, so no the dread wouldnt be dead if it then came out again in the same ship and blew up the starflier.
User was banned for: Griefing others
Time left: (Permanent)
But as i look at hones sanction that is the old 5.6 The new 5.6 is.. extremely more elastic.
5.6 as stated says nothing about jumpgates... tradelanes... or moving 10 k from the fight.
So were back to square one here in regards to what i've said. Even if you make a demand. Get shields and hull down. the importance here is that green docking message.
If you were face to face with a pirate and zipped in to dock (with the current system) and your not out of range. your clearly screwed. And some may see that as a loophole in my opinion however it gives pirates and rp a little more insurance to their power play and that's fine. Without that assurance pirates might as well just sorta hang out by bases instead of trade lanes.
However if a pirate sees you or a law official sees you at 10 or 14 k and shouts in system chat pirate demands... your much safer now disappearing and switching then with the previous version of 5.6 if anything its enabled the switching behavior as long as its fully out of sight.
So its not as bad as i was thinking previously but the current rule... is definitely less restrictive.
' Wrote:So... say that a dreadnought is busy docking on a base, and a pirate ID'd starflea issues a demand to the dreadnought before it docks. Does that mean that the dreadnought is now dead?
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