' Wrote:That doesn't explain a population boom from 3,500 or so, to over 500 million in 19 years. Nothing can do that, short of forced relocation from House planets.
Zoner never has been only 3.500 : Freeport habitant are not only Zoner. Most of them are in space looking for new things to discover or in over station to do business etc etc.
If you only count people on the station , then xenos will be around 3000, all unlawful except the big three will be around 5k people, and the order will be around 500 people ...
3) if so ... what should be done to better things?
( 4) how would a perfect inRP reaction would have looked like in last years events ( which is why we still argue about it ) ) <--- only if you do know the background
1.) This depends on what you mean by screwed up. Have the Zoners strayed from their lore and gotten themselves into a difficult situation? Yes. Did you deviate from the path you original sought as factions? Yes.
2.) The first and most major thing I feel contributed to what the Zoner factions did wrongly was in trying to use lore to justify neutrality, rather than making neutrality through your own actions as players. For example, many references were made to the Corsair-Zoner neutrality. Okay, that's great. Zoners supply Corsairs, Corsairs would have problems without Zoner supply. This is true. Problem is, very few Zoners were actually PLAYING OUT that supply. You pointed to infocards to defend yourself, rather than pointing to evidence of your trade runs and supply dropoffs to their bases. This is where you went wrong. If you want to maintain your neutrality, you have to actually do it through your own actions. Pointing at lore that you aren't playing out yourselves is not good enough.
The second thing is being so combative, militaristic, aggressive, and defiant. Omicroners in particular on this one. You're rude, aggressive, defiant against other factions. It's not a surprise to anyone the kind of reactions you get from other factions. The Omicroners aren't the least liked Zoner faction just because some people decided one day to hate you. Every person sources their own fate. If you're hated, it's because you did something to anger those people. If you're targeted and shot at, there is a reason why people did that action.
Let me use an example. [GC] and Kiretsu. There is a reason the two factions are viewed rather differently by other players and factions. That is because we operate differently, we have extremely different diplomacy. We both source our own reputation. [GC] is known to be very open and welcoming, friendly. Kiretsu are known as hardcases and rude and arrogant. Why? Because we act that way. Just like [GC] acts more friendly and openly.
The Omicroners have earned their reputation through their actions. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have that reputation.
Try to look at everything as feedback. Even if someone is horribly biased, angry, etc. It's still a form of feedback. People call the Omicroners paranoid and conspiracy junkies. Why? Because what you say and do makes us feel that way. People say you're aggressive, rude. Why? Because we feel that way due to how you communicate with us.
Take me for example. A lot of Zoners that don't know me very well personally consider me a Zoner-hater, think I'm out to "get the Zoners", and just want to shoot them and hurt them for OORP reasons. This isn't true at all, far from it. I've always liked the Zoner faction, and that's why I had a Zoner character for so long. I'm viewed this way by a lot of you because of my actions. I disagree with your opinion of me, but I also know that I'm the source of your opinions. The way I used my character created that opinion you hold of me. Could I have done the character in a different way so as not to get that reputation? Probably. Did I not clarify some actions/comments that were misunderstood? Not as well as I thought I had. While I disagree with the opinion some of you hold of me, and don't like that opinion, I also don't hate you just because you have that opinion. All I can do is try to source a change in that opinion through my actions. Complaining on the forums and skype and calling conspiracies against people won't change your opinion. In fact, it'll worsen it.
That is what you've been doing. Instead of trying to convince people otherwise through your actions, you're justifying their opinion of you. And you're ignoring their feedback and not mending your ways.
There is obviously a large contingent of this community who feels you've screwed up rather massively. Could they be wrong? Yes. Could they be right? Yes. Regardless, that is their opinion, and it is feedback you should listen to, regardless of how it is presented to you. We learn better from our failures than our successes.
The biggest problem with humanity is our pride. We don't like to admit we are wrong, to be weak and vulnerable. But the best way to earn someone's trust or to change their opinion of you is to admit that you're wrong when it is possible that you are/were. I think admitting that the Zoners have screwed up would go a long way towards fixing your problems. Admit you made a mistake, find out what you need to do to fix it, and let go of your assumptions of others.
3.) My advice; Contact the Corsairs, apologize, offer them support, supplies, anything you can. Instead of treating them as enemies, make them friends. Apologize to those you have held grudges against, against those you have been rude to. But don't only apologize; Make sure to SHOW a different way of behaving. Don't say you're neutral, be neutral. Don't say you supply factions, do supply them. Reform the Zoners by example. Choose a vision of what you want the Zoners to be, and go out and make it happen. Not by being rude, demanding, controlling, but by being polite, supportive, respectful. I think this is what people want to see from the Zoners, and from the Omicroners especially.
4.) There is no such thing as a perfect RP reaction. You reacted as you felt you should at the time. It didn't work out very well, okay. Remember that and try over. I'm not going to say what the best way to respond would have been, because there is no best. It's over, it's time to move on and focus on the present, not the past.
' Wrote:Question is how separated should be what's happening on discovery 24/7 official server and what's happening in discovery mod.
Now there are lots of zoner caps (as many as LN caps, more than BAF and KNF combined, think even more than RM and BAF combined).
1. Does that mean that zoners are as strong as LN?
Maybe not....
2. That zoners are as weak as written on the infocards?
Maybe not...
now what?
The only thing you can do is to dig yourself into population scenarios, their growths, and the cornerstones of their prosperities (you can derive almost everything from these parameters). I wouldn't like to do it, but going this way the general problem of flawed populations could be corrected. Having the Disco Scenario populations it's easy to determine allowed players per NPC faction, thus restricting the available characters for each NPC faction according to the underlying numbers you've computed. Get some advanced version of Game of Life, feed it with your desired parameters (start at the colony ships 800 years ago), and see what's going to happen.
Until nobody in the dev team is able to apply realistic numbers, everything will remain flawed.
Quote:3) if so ... what should be done to better things?
3.) My advice; Contact the Corsairs, apologize, offer them support, supplies, anything you can. Instead of treating them as enemies, make them friends. Apologize to those you have held grudges against, against those you have been rude to. But don't only apologize; Make sure to SHOW a different way of behaving. Don't say you're neutral, be neutral. Don't say you supply factions, do supply them. Reform the Zoners by example. Choose a vision of what you want the Zoners to be, and go out and make it happen. Not by being rude, demanding, controlling, but by being polite, supportive, respectful. I think this is what people want to see from the Zoners, and from the Omicroners especially.
can you elaborate on what to apologize for?
in that regard.... why can other factions be : rude, demanding, controlling
while you expect zoners to be ....: polite, supportive, respectful.
i have a few nice quotes of people in other factions who said that "being arseholes" is basicly their roleplay.
you do bring up a nice focus there that i guess might be the core of the problem some players have wth the zoner factions....
in your lengthy reply, you focussed very much on omicroners. - what you do not realize is that this faction does not mind having enemies - as it was kind of born in the wake of enemies. being paranoid - unforgiving and defensive is what its about.
the main question however is - does that ruin it for others?
and if that is so - in what way does it affect others not to be able to roleplay their RP anymore when one faction choses not to be polite, supportive, respectful.
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after that many replies - it might be the time to draw a picture of how zoners were preceived for a long time
- passive and kind of indifferent
- no "pvp" targets - but sometimes "targets"
- zoners were a faction that others could manipulate.
- zoners were sometimes attacked in the past ( long long past ) - but when the attackers felt like "it was enough" - peace was offered... and zoners always accepted.
- in the last years event - that last part sparked a lot of critizism WITHIN the official zoner factions. - peace was offered... and NOT accepted. - it was perceived as very rude - and ooRP.
- that decsion was made intentionally - the conflict was carried on beyond what the attackers wanted - peace was not offered... up to a point where the attacked ceased mostly due to the pointlessness.
- maybe it is that - which causes the problem. - zoners who do NOT submit and practicly become as "bad" as those attacking them seems / seemed "wrong" for many a players.
What you said, dab, might be reasonable in some way - but what i miss is some kind of multiperspective. - you say "zoners have to" - "omicroners have to" - and i totally miss what others have to do. - that is the main reason you are perceived as "anti" ( and we all remember that you tried to shape zoners when you played zoners yourself )
lets sum up what the factions appear to be about:
TAZ:
- religious or semi religious preachers ( not quite zealots imo )
- idealists but also isolationists
- traders of ther truth, of commodities and information
- well connected throughout sirius - interconnected via personal and factionwide networks that allows them to operate in a very wide ZoI
- not too restrictive - but protective. there is a clear line whats their and whats everyones
- reasonably unreasonable ( if you get the drift ) - somewhat chaotic, but not really chaotic.
OSI:
- traders based on contracts and individual trading
- the most "lawful" side of the zoners from my pov
- they are pragmatic and keep a neutrality by doing it mostly the junker way - stay below the radar... try not to mess up the "big" decisions
- it helps them to have a HQ in the core worlds
- OSI applies profound reason to their decissions from my experience - little emotion, so there is little grief, little enthusiasm ( or so it appears ) - it is rock solid
omicroners:
- defensive, paranoid, aggressive
- they deploy a military as the only zoner faction
- isolationists on bad terms with both neighbours ( BHG and corsairs )
- trade is mostly based on basic needs for an edgeworld - rather than the most profit for their members
- their ZoI is rather small, extending no further than slightly into the omega rim systems
- they know how valuable 74 is as a transit system and play that trump card ( or have been playing it )
- unreasonably reasonable - reason within omicroner reason - unreasonable for others sometimes. emotion and pride is a big factor.
OSI and TAZ mght add / correct me on my summary
so - the basic question was - does that harm the non-factionized zoners roleplay?
' Wrote:can you elaborate on what to apologize for?
I thought my post was fairly clear on this;
Being rude, aggressive, hostile, defiant, not living up to your supply duties. In-Roleplay I might add.
' Wrote:in that regard.... why can other factions be : rude, demanding, controlling
while you expect zoners to be ....: polite, supportive, respectful.
i have a few nice quotes of people in other factions who said that "being arseholes" is basicly their roleplay.
Some factions, rude, demanding, and controlling makes sense. While being rude and arrogant is the roleplay for some factions, like many Corsairs, I don't agree with "being arseholes" at all. I'm certainly not condoning them do such, or ignoring other people's gameplay in favor of their own.
But do realize the Zoners are not a military faction. They do not have a military, they are not a closely-bonded nation. They cannot stand up in a fight against others. You hold economic control, not military control. This was shown rather bluntly to you. You need to realize this. Your power is diplomacy and economics. That is why you need to be polite, supportive, respectful. It doesn't matter how many goods you deliver them, if you're rude and arrogant to them, they are going to dislike you, and eventually shoot you. This is what happened.
' Wrote:you do bring up a nice focus there that i guess might be the core of the problem some players have wth the zoner factions....
in your lengthy reply, you focussed very much on omicroners. - what you do not realize is that this faction does not mind having enemies - as it was kind of born in the wake of enemies. being paranoid - unforgiving and defensive is what its about.
the main question however is - does that ruin it for others?
I know the Omicroners don't mind having enemies. Okay, that's fine. But you need to realize that isn't what the Zoners are about. The single defining trait of that faction, and what the lore is heavily concentrated on, is being neutral. You're contradicting your own lore, and you wonder why you get problems? You wonder why even other Zoners dislike you? YES. It is ruining it for others. What one Zoner does affects all Zoners. That is why a Council existed. To keep a standard of behavior and diplomacy. Because when one Zoner/group screws up diplomacy, it screws up diplomacy for everyone.
And your paranoia in-RP is not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to the paranoia and constant claims of conspiracy everywhere you pop up. People are sick of hearing it.
' Wrote:and if that is so - in what way does it affect others not to be able to roleplay their RP anymore when one faction choses not to be polite, supportive, respectful.
Have you really forgot the whole Corsair vs Zoner situation? I mean, really?
' Wrote:after that many replies - it might be the time to draw a picture of how zoners were preceived for a long time - passive and kind of indifferent
- no "pvp" targets - but sometimes "targets"
- zoners were a faction that others could manipulate.
- zoners were sometimes attacked in the past ( long long past ) - but when the attackers felt like "it was enough" - peace was offered... and zoners always accepted.
- in the last years event - that last part sparked a lot of critizism WITHIN the official zoner factions. - peace was offered... and NOT accepted. - it was perceived as very rude - and ooRP.
- that decsion was made intentionally - the conflict was carried on beyond what the attackers wanted - peace was not offered... up to a point where the attacked ceased mostly due to the pointlessness.
- maybe it is that - which causes the problem. - zoners who do NOT submit and practicly become as "bad" as those attacking them seems / seemed "wrong" for many a players.
This is a prime example of your assumptions and holding onto an image of others rather than really paying attention to what they are actually saying. No one cares if you defend yourselves. That is a fiction you are creating to make yourselves feel better.
What people TRULY hate about the Zoners is the constant conspiracy claims, the constant complaining, the constant whining, the constant OOC arguments raised over RP actions of others.
Also the constant disregard for Zoner lore. You're are -not- acting like Zoners. People have shown infocards proving as much. Of COURSE you're getting problems.
If the GC and Corsair factions just randomly decided to start being nice with each other and cooperating, in contradiction to all their lore, don't you think we'd get both OORP and RP problems with other factions and players? Of course we would. This is what you're doing, only you're ignoring the problems you're creating and instead trying to blame them on everyone around you.
' Wrote:What you said, dab, might be reasonable in some way - but what i miss is some kind of multiperspective. - you say "zoners have to" - "omicroners have to" - and i totally miss what others have to do. - that is the main reason you are perceived as "anti" ( and we all remember that you tried to shape zoners when you played zoners yourself )
What others have to do? Well first, the entire topic of this thread is what the Zoners did and what they should do. You're now telling me I'm wrong for staying on topic. This is an example of what angers people about the Zoners. When we do as you ask, you say we're wrong, we did it wrong, that's not what you asked for, we're biased, it's a conspiracy, zonerzonerzonerzoner.
But okay, to answer your new question, others? What do they have to do? Be responsible, not hold onto assumptions, give people a chance to correct their problems.
The thing here is though, other factions have been pretty good at this. Omicroners have been notorious for NOT doing this. Considering I'm not the only person here saying that you screwed up should be enough for you to realize that maybe you did do something wrong? Hell, there are people completely uninvolved in the entire debacle that are saying you screwed up. Are you going to keep disregarding this? You asked the question, people have responded to it, and said why. You are now still disregarding their feedback. If you aren't going to listen to them, why are you asking the question?
As for my shaping the Zoners, which really isn't on topic at all. Yes. I shaped the Zoners. Why do you think the CoZ was created by Mal in the first place? Why do you think I joined it? Because it was able to shape the Zoners into a miniature community within Disco. One that had players that got along, got things accomplished, and managed to keep the delicate situation the Zoners were in from blowing up in our faces.
So take a look at the CoZ era Zoners, then the ZA era Zoners, then the post-ZA era Zoners. Which ones had the biggest drama, the most diplomatic scandles, wars, hostilities, in-fighting, etc? Then tell me who has screwed up the most here. For all the Zoner-hate I'm accused of having, I seem to recall a markedly lower number of RP and OORP conflicts between the Zoners and other factions during the time I was involved with the CoZ. Why? Because I stuck to Diplomacy and neutrality, rather than my guns. My Aquilon. How many fights did it get into while I was a Zoner? Two. Who was it against? Keepers and The Joker, who targeted me.
I remember being able to fly the thing into the Hessian Guard system, chat it up with them, grab some Blood Diamonds, then fly out to Crete, do the same thing, dropping off some food, Blood Diamonds still in my cargo, and leave again without a single shot fired, a single threat made. Why? Because I didn't start fights, I didn't act aggressive or rude. And for all the claims that the Corsair players hate the Omicroners, do you really think they hate you more than they hated me for a long time? Yet not once was my ship ever attacked by them. Combative posturing and big guns aren't a deterrent to war. That's what the Omicroners and ZA tried. Diplomacy, mutual respect, courtesy. That is a deterrent to war. That's what the CoZ tried. The latter worked.
I'm not trying to say you guys are failures. I'm trying to get you to realize that you are sourcing the problems you are faced with. You can't correct those problems until you recognize the cause of them.
' Wrote:lets sum up what the factions appear to be about:
TAZ:
- religious or semi religious preachers ( not quite zealots imo )
- idealists but also isolationists
- traders of ther truth, of commodities and information
- well connected throughout sirius - interconnected via personal and factionwide networks that allows them to operate in a very wide ZoI
- not too restrictive - but protective. there is a clear line whats their and whats everyones
OSI:
- traders based on contracts and individual trading
- the most "lawful" side of the zoners from my pov
- they are pragmatic and keep a neutrality by doing it mostly the junker way - stay below the radar... try not to mess up the "big" decisions
- it helps them to have a HQ in the core worlds
omicroners:
- defensive, paranoid, aggressive
- they deploy a military as the only zoner faction
- isolationists on bad terms with both neighbours ( BHG and corsairs )
- trade is mostly based on basic needs for an edgeworld - rather than the most profit for their members
- their ZoI is rather small, extending no further than slightly into the omega rim systems
- they know how valuable 74 is as a transit system and play that trump card ( or have been playing it )
OSI and TAZ mght add / correct me on my summary
so - the basic question was - does that harm the non-factionized zoners roleplay?
Yes. The Omicroners one does harm non-factionized Zoners. If Omicroners piss off the Corsairs, TAZ and OSI may (and did) manage to kee neutrality with them, though it'll usually cost them to do so.
But the indy Zoners will have a much much harder time doing so. They will get caught up in the diplomatic problems that are created. This was incredibly obvious during both the Zoner/Corsair fighting and the Zoner/BHG fighting, and even resulted in Bretonia being more strict on FP1.
You are the representatives of your faction. What you do effects everyone else. Indies can create a problem occasionally and not ruin everyone else's experience. Official factions do not get off that easily.
Dab. What Jinx is trying to say, I think, is that Corsairs should be "polite, supportive, respectful" due to their dependence on Zoner food.
Why aren't they? Why are you blaming it all on Zoners?
In lore, Zoners have their neutrality with Corsairs because the Corsairs are dependent on them. However, Corsair factions choose to ignore this and go on with their hostility, while Zoners are forced to continue with 'neutrality thing'.
What I see as a problem with Zoners in general (not any faction in particular) is the NFZ. I don't think you need this. It causes troubles, and it makes hostilities happen. Just yesterday a Zoner Juggy undocked and engaged the Corsairs, but chose not to engage the RoS and MM that were obviously trying to provoke a fight. It destroyed an Osiris and an Imperator. Now, when someone does this (whoever he is, official or not) - Zoners as a whole can only expect Corsair raids on daily basis. And this attack was done in the name of 'enforcing NFZ'.
Can someone explain why are you trying to enforce something that you can't possibly enforce, because you are not a force? In roleplay, I don't see a Zoner acting hostile towards Corsairs and Outcast fleets fighting in Omicron Theta system.
However, Dab, you are also to blame for what Zoners are today. As much as you claim that AW weren't Zoners, you acted as defenders of Theta (pretty much what Zoners still do today), you owned Omicron-74, you used Zoner Battleships to kill Corsairs (Yes, you used mostly capital ships too). All that as a non-Zoner faction, sure, but in the name of the Zoners. AW was one of the first factions to start the hostilities between Zoners and Corsairs.
No one can deny that.
As I see it, you both have some valid points, but RP goes two ways.
You can't have Corsairs ignoring their need for Zoner food, and expect the Zoners to kiss their feet at the same time.
So, lore will evolve - Corsairs having their own food and stuff (might happen) and Zoners becoming a force that can defend against Corsairs.
Or it won't evolve, and both sides will stick to the original lore.
Whatever happens, both sides are responsible, and both sides are to blame.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
' Wrote:Dab. What Jinx is trying to say, I think, is that Corsairs should be "polite, supportive, respectful" due to their dependence on Zoner food.
Why aren't they? Why are you blaming it all on Zoners?
In lore, Zoners have their neutrality with Corsairs because the Corsairs are dependent on them. However, Corsair factions choose to ignore this and go on with their hostility, while Zoners are forced to continue with 'neutrality thing'.
What I said in my post, is that, while this lore exists, the Zoners can't point at it and say "Look, you can't survive without us!" This is a roleplay server, which means PLAYING your role. CLAIMING it is not what this is about. If their lore and roleplay was to supply the Corsairs with food, why weren't they? They didn't, so the Corsairs found another source. This then means the Zoner's power over the Corsairs is gone.
' Wrote:However, Dab, you are also to blame for what Zoners are today. As much as you claim that AW weren't Zoners, you acted as defenders of Theta (pretty much what Zoners still do today), you owned Omicron-74, you used Zoner Battleships to kill Corsairs. All that as a non-Zoner faction, sure, but in the name of the Zoners. AW was one of the first factions to start the hostilities between Zoners and Corsairs.
No one can deny that.
As I see it, you both have some valid points, but RP goes two ways.
You can't have Corsairs ignoring their need for Zoner food, and expect the Zoners to kiss their feet at the same time.
AW is to blame for the war between the Omicroners and the Corsairs? I don't think so.
1.) So long ago, most Corsair players don't even know about it, or have been told facts that have been distorted over time. I know this from personal experience in talking to people about it. A lot of people have heard things about the AW that aren't true, then they help spread the "facts" and it gets worse. Only a few of the Corsair playerbase actually was present during the AW era and actually knows what happened.
2.) The Zoners were never targeted during the Corsair/AW stuff, and the Corsairs kept it between us, not branching out.
3.) The Corsairs actually got what they wanted, which was a removal of the full-system NFZ in Theta. Do you know the origin of the 5k distance as the standard NFZ radius? It was the Corsairs who originally proposed this size as the FPs' NFZs.
4.) Look at the reasons the Corsairs have stated both in-RP and OORP about their fighting the Omicroners/Zoners. You'll find all of it has to do with the ZONERS' actions and behavior, not the AW, which was gone before most of the current Corsair playerbase joined the server.
Even during the time of AW the Zoners had less drama and hostility than the Omicroners and ZA achieved. So no, this claim does not match up.
' Wrote:[...] Corsairs would have problems without Zoner supply. This is true. Problem is, very few Zoners were actually PLAYING OUT that supply. [...]
Don't know where you've got this information from, but it's not applying to the ZTC. We've made food supplies with three, sometimes even four or five Whales about five times a weak, over a longer period of time. The effect: Being confronted with such forged facts. Do we have to throw around with screenshots just to testify how forged the pseudo-rp reasons of the Corsair players were?
Also, it's complete nonsense to expect in-game roleplay in every timezone by every group. Ironically those who are crying loudest about missing food supplies are especially those who weren't never playing in our timezone. Nobody's fault, but also no argument at all. Exploiting this fact is a pathetic example for powergaming and, to take if further, anti-social behaviour.
' Wrote:The second thing is being so combative, militaristic, aggressive, and defiant. Omicroners in particular on this one. You're rude, aggressive, defiant against other factions.
Nah, the problem is that some cannot stand the fact that there's quite a group of players on this server, and believe me that it's not only the Omicroners, who are not tempted to polish some preferable apples for the sake of some crappy benefit of not being targetted by lolwut raids. The basic problem here might be as well that there's abolsutely no list one could use to know who of these inventory players demand that sacrifice to compensate other stuff actually nobody can be aware of.
So, defiance is actually the best medicine for those who demand this:
' Wrote:3.) My advice; Contact the Corsairs, apologize,
Actually, what for? For their own faults? Sure, everybody likes that of course, but you've also explained why it shouldn't happen:
' Wrote:The biggest problem with humanity is our pride.
That's the reason of this permanent forging. First there was a clear miscalculation of the own limits on Corsair side, then any means the Corsair players could summon failed, and in the end the situation has worsened to an extent where they have perverted the known RP. All of that without even a justifiable goal inRP. But still everybody's wondering why I'm calling this crap.
Sure, it wasn't really fair to play the roles against Zoner characters because passivity, an important aspect of Zoner RP, is the best option to make decisions, but while they were escalating further and further without being able to reach their goals they still had enough opportunities to back off. In the aftermath of their own failures it's pretty ridiculous how fact are being forged. Okay, I consider this to be the last thing anybody can do when screwing up things.
' Wrote:The Omicroners have earned their reputation through their actions. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have that reputation.
Of course they did, and I'm sure that mostly those who thought they could reach their own satisfaction through senseless powergaming suiting oorp motives must be pretty annoyed to see the result of their own doings. There wasn't the slightest idea of RP when the Corsair factions denied any forum RP at the time when the [A] started to enjoy their bandwagon. The initial mistake that was made by this, and it wasn't Zoners' or Omicroners'.
' Wrote:There is obviously a large contingent of this community who feels you've screwed up rather massively.
The funny thing about it is that the vast majority is relying on hearsay. Or call it "neat" if you like.
' Wrote:3.) My advice; Contact the Corsairs, apologize, offer them support, supplies, anything you can.
Okay, what's going to come next? Just to give me something to laugh about. The demand to pay their ISP costs?
Nah, cannot work. Those making the first mistake have to make the first real step to a mending of relations. Anything else is inacceptable. If we'd have screwed something rp wise I'd be the first to acknowledge the ncessity of this step, but all of this wasn't happening based on RP ;-)
' Wrote:4.) There is no such thing as a perfect RP reaction.
Of course there is a perfect reaction - it's PLAYING the role, instead of hiding behind a pixelhunter bandwagon.
I understand completely that nobody likes to be confronted with his or her own mistakes but we had to apply this method in order to draw a clear line what we allow other players to do based on oorp intentions. So, I for myself understand the nature, the scope and the motives of such blames completely.
But we are not going to correct a wrong with another. It's not worth it ;-)
' Wrote:The Omicroners aren't the least liked Zoner faction just because some people decided one day to hate you. Every person sources their own fate. If you're hated, it's because you did something to anger those people. If you're targeted and shot at, there is a reason why people did that action.
Personally, I dont dislike the omicroners, and dont hate them. For who are you speaking there?
You know, you could apply the "every person sources their own fate and if people hate you you MUST have done something" to anyone and anything... even the way some people feel about some moderators, admins, and devs. Its kind of a hollow argument. So if I hate someone, its automatically their fault?
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