Why shouldn't the GRN shoot you too?

[Redon]

I've recently started working on an updated and revised version of the entire GRN info thread, including the diplomacy of Gallia and the GRN. It won't be posted until it's done, so don't bother looking for it. I welcome some help from the community though - I've learnt my share of things in the time I've been here, but I'm far from being all-knowing when it comes to Discovery lore.

I looked through various faction info threads and wiki pages as a reference, and ran into contradictory and often outdated information. Some faction pages, a lot of them actually, are so outdated they don't even list a single Gallic faction in their diplomacy.

In this thread, I welcome statements, preferably but not necessarily from official factions, explaining their diplomacy with Gallia and its factions. For every faction of Sirius, especially about the less obvious ones, any information is appreciated. And while you're at it, update those diplomacy lists!

[Sabru]

Doc Holliday or Mad John (Joggin) would have to confirm this,

but as i understand TAZ is still hostile to GRN and other Gallic factions.

Talks were had between the Gallic monarchy and TAZ a while ago, but nothing seemed to eventuate from that.

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[SummerMcLovin]

It might be good to have a list of the groups that you do know the reasoning behind and specific ones that you are looking to be informed of. I'd probably be able to get a decent list of explanations to you.

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Kingdom of Bretonia
Colonial Republic
Independent Miners Guild
Ex-Admin

[Redon]

It might be good to have a list of the groups that you do know the reasoning behind and specific ones that you are looking to be informed of. I'd probably be able to get a decent list of explanations to you.

Here's my provisional list:

Close Allies
Gallia - GRN, GRP

Allied
Gallia - IDF Shipping, EFL, Solar

Friendly
Gallia - GMS, Gallic Junkers

Positive Neutral
Kusari - KNF, KSP, Kempeitai, Samura, Kishiro
Other - Approved Sirians, IMG, Reavers, IND, OSI, Phoenix,

Negative Neutral
Gallia - Unione Corse
Bretonia - Mollys, Gaians
Rheinland - RM, RFP, BDM, Daumann, Kruger, Republican Shipping®, ALG

Unfriendly

Kusari - Hogosha
Liberty - Rogues, Lane Hackers, OS&C, Synth Foods, Cryer,
Rheinland - RH, Unioners, LWB, Bundschuh
Other - Sirian Civilians, Corsairs, RoS, Zoners (hostile while found in Gallic space without permission)

Hostile
Gallia - Gallic Brigands, Pirates, Unlawful Mercenaries
Bretonia - Gateway, Planetform
Kusari - Farmer's Alliance, Golden Chrysanthemums, Blood Dragons
Liberty - Ageira, DSE, USI, LPI, Xenos, Hellfire Legion (some of these may be just 'unfriendly'?)
Other - Junkers Congress, TAZ, Bounty Hunters, BHG Core, SCRA, Coalition, The Order, Nomads, Wilde, Aoi Isejin

At War
Gallia - The Council, The Maquis
Bretonia - BAF, BPA, Bowex, BMM
Kusari - Kusari Exiles
Liberty - Liberty Navy, LSF
Other - Colonial Republic, Outcasts

Relations to Rheinland, various Zoner-,other independent groups and Junkers are what I'm not sure about (Those marked in bold/italic). I'm also not sure whether it's possible to split Libertonian corporations into nationalistic/independent sides, and whether Gallia would treat the latter as hostile targets, or simply untrustworthy civilians that may be asked to drop their cargo to sabotage Libertonian trade.

Let me know if I missed any factions, suggestions about the rest are welcome too, of course.

EDIT: Oh, and GMG. No idea where to put those.

[Pavel]

Gallia and Kusari bailed Rheinland out after IC was banned, kinda saving it. Due to new financial, economical (also between our corporations, what'll be portrayed better in next version) and diplomatic connections, I'd say moving Rheinland to positive neutral area is justified.

[SummerMcLovin]

Cheers, gives me a starting point.

These days, might want to bump GJ down to Positive Neutral. Could change depending on the ID changes and player efforts in 4.87.

Rheinland seems good as is (both lawful and unlawful). The lawfuls will probably slide towards Positive Neutral (and Kusari towards friendly) in 4.87. ALG might already be there. (Seems Pavel covered this)

I'd suggest bumping UC up to Negative Neutral, probably the Mollys too (at least the [M], in fairness you do get indies siding with Bretonia).
Hogosha are fine, as are Rogues, Hackers and Xenos. Hellfire could be bumped to full hostile since they've fought GRN| directly in Cortez and Magellan in the past.
IND, OSI and to a lesser extent Phoenix all have trading rights in Gallia so could be bumped up to one of the Neutrals. TAZ could be bumped down to Hostile because of the past mess and their efforts to make a CR/C/TAZ triumvirate against Gallia in the Barrier Pass.

The GC are fine where they are, being good friends of Bretonia (and Liberty, somewhat) and the Outcasts but not really being big enough for At War.
The Liberty Corps would probably be fine as Hostile, although the "trans-Sirius" groups - Cryer, OS&C and Synth - would probably just be unfriendly. I know for a fact that Cryer get on ok with Gallia. You've also missed Interspace which would likely be in the same place as Cryer etc. LPI is iffy, being 'less patriotic' than the BPA who are fully against Gallia - Hostile is probably fine for them too.
I'd suggest putting the SCRA and Coalition as just one entity, and probably fully At War too.

Nomads is a tricky one too, depending on how happy you lot are with Fallen Grace or at least Show & Tell after getting rid of its instigator (Jeremy) and total hater (Murphy). Even just lack of interaction or proximity would probably put them to Hostile instead of At War.

Ones you've missed:
GMG, probably Negative Neutral (and you appear to have noticed this yourself).
MND, BIS and KPT could be added in the same place as their house lawful enforcers.
Privateers, in with BAF.

I think that is everything covered. Suck it Syrus

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Kingdom of Bretonia
Colonial Republic
Independent Miners Guild
Ex-Admin

[Syrus]

Mollys actively cooperate with Gallia, even trade with them. Not sure if "unfriendly" is fittng. Probably rather "negative neutral".
Rheinland, from what I know, ALG worked with Gallia and traded there, as well as what's been pointed out by Pavel. Pretty sure positive neutral (or just reducing the "neutral"s to only "neutral") would be more fitting.
Didn't OSI used to trade in Gallia?
For Libertonian or "half-Libertonian factions": Cryer, though I honestly don't know where they see themselves, to me they don't seem very Libertonian anymore. Unfriendly to negative unfriendly might be more fitting, but I guess the faction itself might know better about it. They also fight the Outcasts. But on the other hand, they run a base in Cambridge.
GMG - I'd put them as negative neutral. Depends on what the faction wants though. Can't remember how they got along - or not.
Xenos are clearly hostile as Libertonian nationalists.

EDIT: ^ I WAS EATING MEIN BRÖTCHEN, SO I WASN'T TYPING FAST!

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[Vrabcek]

You could indeed finally decide how you will threat nomads and nomad infested humans.
While most independent GRN players threat them as neutral, some even friendly you have clearly stated here "at war". Mind also explain it why?

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[Sabru]

To back up on both what i said before, and what Summer said,

TAZ should be moved to hostile as we are good allies with both C and CR.

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[kikatsu]

The Farmers Alliance is in a good spot on here, being ultra nationalists we do not want to see Kusari bowing to Gallic interests, and we would gladly terrorize you given the chance.

I think everything everyone else in this thread brought up is worth looking at... for instance I am not sure where Cryer would stand with the Crown, they have mixed ethics and would likely exploit situations to further their research or wealth.