Alright, I was pirating in New York... I was engaged by two gunboats and had to flee. I escaped to California. Moments later I noticed that one of hte gunboats that had engaged me had followed me to California... he then jumped back to New York after hanging in California for a minute or two. (he saw me with a friend and decided it'd be best to go back to new york) Then I checked the chat list and noticed the other gunboat left the system... he later re entered, and that's where we all got lost.
Basically here is what happened:
- 2 Gunboats Engaged Me... I escaped.
- I left sytem
- Both gunboats left system
- I came back to system
- Both gunboats came back to system
Question is... can I re-engage?
Both of the fellows said I couldn't fight them because they attacked me here. I told them it was fine because they left. We didn't re engage, but I want to know exactly what the rules are in this situation. I've read them over a few times, and I just want a second opinion, because in my eyes I thouhgt I was fine for reengagement.
As far as i understand it, you can safely go into a system which a fight took place if they leave, but you and they(I think they can't but could be wrong) afaik can't reenguage for 4 hours.
I don't know exactly how it works, but this is my take on the matter...
You were not allowed to re-engage anywhere for four hours, be it in New York, California or Skegness. In fact, I believe you shouldn't have even gone back to New York at all because the LI Gunboat immediately retreated from California back to NY and never left thereafter.
' Wrote:As far as i understand it, you can safely go into a system which a fight took place if they leave, but you and they(I think they can't but could be wrong) afaik can't reenguage for 4 hours.
The thing is... if I can come back and engage others... then he should be able to engage me. Because according to this, if I woudl pirate a trader, with the gunboat sitting right there... he coudn't re engage me. Because It would break an engagement rule.
Can you re-engage? No. The rules are pretty direct on this. You fled so...
Quote:5.6 If a player engages cruise engine or docks during a PvP fight, this player is considered fleeing. The fleeing player must leave and may not re-enter the system where the fight took place with any of the characters on his/her account(s) while the enemy (player or players involved in the fight) remains in the system, but no more than 4 hours.
If they log off you can go back, but when they come back on , you gotta go. Just accept you ran for your life, stay out of there and, ideally, change character.
Here are some rules you need to understand. Note carefully the first rule I list here.
Quote:3.5 Attempts to pose as admins, threatening players with sanctions, attempts to interpret rules are not allowed. Applying to admin's name without prior consent of the admin is not allowed.
Don't attempt to interpret the rules. Read them and if you have questions ... always err on the side of caution until you can get an admin to clarify.
Quote:5.6 If a player engages cruise engine or docks during a PvP fight, this player is considered fleeing. The fleeing player must leave and may not re-enter the system where the fight took place with any of the characters on his/her account(s) while the enemy (player or players involved in the fight) remains in the system, but no more than 4 hours.
However, the fleeing player can re-engage at will if chased.
5.7 A player who was killed in a PvP fight must not enter the system where the fight took place with any of the characters on his/her account(s) while the enemy (player or players involved in the fight) remains in the system, but no more than 4 hours.
If the player respawns in the same system, he/she must leave the system without engaging. Other players are not allowed to attack one who is leaving.
These two rules are talking about you leaving the system and when you can return to the system.
Quote:5.8 A player who was killed in a PvP fight must not re-engage the enemy (player or players involved in the death) with any of the characters on his/her account(s) for 4 hours.
Now this one needs a bit of clarification because it only mentions those being "killed" in PVP. But from all the sanctions I've read ... this applies to anyone who runs away or docks. Its re-engagement if you run away ... repair and reload ... and then come back to fight.
There USED to be a rule regarding shield running. I cannot find it written down anywhere ... but that rule does still exist ... Admins? Am I correct in this assumption ... that shield running is considered running away from a fight?
And of course we have these three rules
EDIT: Also note that rule 5.8 applies to the guy that died. The one that lost (got killed) cannot re-engage. Says nothing about the guy that won the fight. But to avoid all this ... I typically adhere to rule 5.9 below.
Quote:5.9 After a death in a PvP fight, players should switch to other characters (preferably with different role-playing status) for no less than 4 hours.
5.10 Self-killing during a PvP fight is counted as a normal PvP death.
5.11 Using F1 in a PvP fight, as well as in any other situations that involve player interactions, is not allowed.
- 2 Gunboats Engaged Me... I escaped.
- I left sytem
- Both gunboats left system
- I came back to system
- Both gunboats came back to system
Question is... can I re-engage?
Quote:5.6 If a player engages cruise engine or docks during a PvP fight, this player is considered fleeing. The fleeing player must leave and may not re-enter the system where the fight took place with any of the characters on his/her account(s) while the enemy (player or players involved in the fight) remains in the system, but no more than 4 hours
However, the fleeing player can re-engage at will if chased..
I think that this fall under this rule. Since you fled to another system. then a short time they left. You are able to re-enter the first system. When they returned to the system, they can trap and re-engage you but you cannot start the engagement till the 4 hour limit is up.
For more referances check Here (check post #78) and/or Here
' Wrote:I think that this fall under this rule. Since you fled to another system. then a short time they left. You are able to re-enter the first system. When they returned to the system, they can trap and re-engage you but you cannot start the engagement till the 4 hour limit is up.
For more referances check Here (check post #78) and/or Here
Alright thanks, that's what I was beginning to think was what I was allowed to do. (if that makes sense)
' Wrote:If they log off you can go back, but when they come back on , you gotta go.
Thats not right based on what the rule sais. Literaly it sais that you can't go back into the system while the enemy remains in the system, for a maximum of 4 hours. So if they leave the system then they won't be "remaining" in the system.
Quote:Don't attempt to interpret the rules.
If you don't attempt to interpret the rules then you can't follow them.
The rule is, you may not engage anyone in the system where a fight took place for 4 hours. If you run next door and he follows you, then you had better run faster.
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