Feedback on a new possible faction - Vigilantes

[Corile]

So, because of pretty much complete inactivity of the LPI, Liberty for now is a smuggler heaven. Even if some pilots from LN are active, they don't even bother scanning ships and seeing if they haul something forbidden. You can seriously fly near Norfolk with Junker Pirate Train loaded up with Cardamine and they won't even bat an eye. Even pirates have much better days in Liberty right now.

I was talking with a few people and asked them before posting on the forums, and they agree with the above. So I was thinking about making a quasi-lawful faction of the Vigilantes. Since the pirates should really get their asses kicked, we would be a lot more merciless than regular Police. No taking fines, either you drop cargo or get blown up. In case of bigger transports (I think 3,600 and bigger), there would be no talking, similar with pirates.

I've already written a bit of lore, but I must work on it a bit more, but here's a little snippet of faction overview:

The Vigilantes are a tightly-knit, quasi-lawful faction based in Liberty. Their primary goal is to serve as a paramilitary force inside Liberty, enforcing law upon criminals, pirates and smugglers. Secondary goals include defense of Libertonian borders against trespassers and fighting alongside Liberty Navy. Vigilantes' methods are often considered overvigorous and brutal, and destruction of law-breaking ships without excuse is not unheard of.

Somethings that probably will be asked:
How is this different from BHG?
We will have a few transports used for depositing the dropped cargo, so we won't work for money but for JUSTICE.

How is this different from LPI?
LPI requires to much effin' around with the pirates, during which they usually run away. Also, they mostly use Liberators. >_<

TLDR
LPI is inactive, so we need something to blast smugglers from Lolberty.

Please be constructive with your feedback.
Thanks.

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Reflections on the Revolution in Gallia
Custodi // High City of Heraklion // The Cult of Archangels
Log Filter // Post Creator // Manhattan

[Sath]

Not trying to demotivate you or anything like that, since there is already an LPI, why dont you merge in your ideas with them? Maybe join them, and continue what you are going to do, give in your ideas to them and if you are lucky, you can stir up activity there as well.

Since there is not much difference in playing a police in LPI, or in this faction. If you are not wanting to do that, you can put forward some uniqueness (gameplay/use of tech/inRP characters) into this faction, which sets it apart from what LPI offers and actually gets interest among people. Its either do something new, or try to bring back the dead. Or else, there wont be any longevity.....you can see that from the sudden rise of so many new unofficial groups which dont have a unique goal, gameplay, and subsequently disbanding within weeks.

[Tunicle]

How is this different from LPI?
LPI requires to much effin' around with the pirates, during which they usually run away. Also, they mostly use Liberators. >_<

Do you think that is because this is supposed to be a RP server and the reason NY is why it is is that actually most of the people who sit in it just want to pew?

Why not join the LPI and use your enthusiasm to try and influence the RP elements of the server? Or if desperate to shoot things why not the navy?

Not totally convinced why vigilantes would be the way. We used to have a nice vigilante ID but is was discontinued because of abuse, so I am lead to believe.

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[Corile]

Not trying to demotivate you or anything like that, since there is already an LPI, why dont you merge in your ideas with them?

As I said, LPI is currently incredibly inactive and I don't really know if there even is someone to talk about this inside LPI. Also, as I said, this faction is supposed to be quasi-lawful, meaning we wouldn't do exactly the same things LPI does. As I wrote at the end, LPI must follow the Liberty Law, and they can't do anything against transports that are carrying some cargo that is not necessarily forbidden by the law (in my opinion for example Hydrogen Cyanide should be considered contraband, but such things will be talked through when/if the faction actually is created).

you can put forward some uniqueness (...) into this faction

I was thinking about this, and had some ideas, one of which being a deserted LN Carrier as a mobile base of operations, but this has some problems associated. I have a general summary of lore written already, but this is not finished and I don't want to publish it before it is.

Not totally convinced why vigilantes would be the way.

Here's a snippet of lore that was written today afternoon. I need to think of the names yet, so this is not finished.

'We have a cardamine smuggler behind us. This Salvager. Someone should really do something about that. [labc name]? [bomber name]? Over.' The Junker was approaching the mooring fixture of Houston, without saying a word to a huge Liberty Navy fleet. This must have been suspicious. I was hoping the CO of the mission was going to order some of the ships after the smuggler, and I saw [bomber name] eager to break out and go after the smuggler after my notice.

'Negative, [carrier name]. You and nobody else are allowed to chase this Salvager. We will have all of the ships ready any second now and you must not delay the fleet because of a puny cardamine smuggler. Over.' The words of CO were outrageous. I couldn't believe what we were hearing.

'Officer, sir, with all due respect, we mustn't let Junker smugglers get inside Liberty space and leave them out without any punishment. [bomber name] can take his ship down in a matter of seconds if he doesn't drop the contraband.' I was hoping to convince him, but I was losing my temper very rapidly.

'You had your orders. You are not allowed to go after the smuggler. All vessels, prepare cruise engines. Our fleet is complete, we will be heading into Bering any second now. CO out,'

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Reflections on the Revolution in Gallia
Custodi // High City of Heraklion // The Cult of Archangels
Log Filter // Post Creator // Manhattan

[Ponge]

Nice idea; what ID are you planning to use?

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[Laura C.]

I think your idea will have a problem with ID since Vigilante ID doesn´t exist anymore. Which one you want to use?

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Corile]

I was thinking between LPI ID and Bounty Hunter ID, but for what we want to do I think LPI ID fits better. There are things that don't really work with what I want this faction to become, but until/if we can get this to be official, we will use LPI ID. It kinda sucks that we can't really kill the ship carrying contraband if they want to drop it, but this can be worked out with proper RP. If the Carrier idea will be done and will actually make sense, then I will probably submit SRP request for it.

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Reflections on the Revolution in Gallia
Custodi // High City of Heraklion // The Cult of Archangels
Log Filter // Post Creator // Manhattan

[Python 72]

Really love the idea, sounds like a lot of fun, just the usual challenges of trying to successfully RP a faction in Lolberty!

Just my 10 cents here I guess if it helps.

Personally I would have your faction as a wing, or precinct, of LPI. Then you could RP yourselves as a bunch of LPI who got sick of the criminal problems facing Liberty, and the apparent apathy of your superiors to want to fix the issue (whether this is because of their corporate leanings, focus on retirement fund, or too liberal and nice in their interpretation of the law, whatever). Then essentially it is a bunch of disillusioned cops taking matters into their own hands as the best way forward to bring about the Liberty they love. Of course this does rule out any RP in terms of dissatisfied citizens taking up arms, but up to you.
You would still be left with ID issues but its an option.

[Corile]

Personally I would have your faction as a wing, or precinct, of LPI. Then you could RP yourselves as a bunch of LPI who got sick of the criminal problems facing Liberty, and the apparent apathy of your superiors to want to fix the issue (whether this is because of their corporate leanings, focus on retirement fund, or too liberal and nice in their interpretation of the law, whatever).

This is a good idea, and I have nothing against it, except it's not really fitting with what we want to achieve and some RP that has already been done. This is, again, affiliating ourselves with LPI, but we want nothing to do with them except the ID (and IFF in some cases). As far as the current storyline written (most of it was based actually on events that have already been RPed), the command of Vigilantes are people affiliated more with the Navy than the police (refer to the storyline fragment above).

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Reflections on the Revolution in Gallia
Custodi // High City of Heraklion // The Cult of Archangels
Log Filter // Post Creator // Manhattan

[Ponge]

What about using the LSF ID? They can uphold the law, but they can be played "a bit out of the box". You said you can't kill the ship after it dropped the contraband; as this is a server rule, you won't be able to circumvent it with any ID or RP.

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