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How to: train and get better (snub PvP, gamer's gym?))
Offline Yber
04-12-2015, 08:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-06-2016, 09:10 PM by Yber.)
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As announced here this is Yber's get good/how to practice- guide. It is organized by spoilers, you just need to click on them.

0. Introduction:

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0.1 Preamble:

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As you may know, I've been away for nearly 2 years, sometimes taking a peek but not really committing to a return. I've been playing regularly for a month+ and I've recieved certain feedback regarding the PvP guide I made 2 years ago. Taking this input, I bring you the first part of the "how2getgood" snub tutorial. For more detailed descriptions please check the PvP guide.
0.2 The idea:

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There are different scenarios you can encounter: duels, groupfights, ganks, saving/killing a miner while someone else shoots you, etc. All these scenarios have 2 factors in common: damage dealt and damage taken (dodging). I'll show you how to aim better and how to dodge better.

1. Aiming

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1.1 Training routines with Aim400kg

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Aim400kg is a russian web (available in english as well) meant for gamers to train their aim and reaction time. Taking the minigames available, these are aiming "workouts" that you can do to exercise both when simply training and when you can't play Freelancer for whatever reason. I advise registration because it'll allow you to keep track of your scores easily.

1.1.1 Routine 1
Demonstration
Necessary time: ~7 minutes.
Perform at least 1 time every day. You may repeat it as many times as you like. I advice to do it before going ingame.
Press Reaction
Exact Aiming V2
Exact Aiming
Exact Aiming antistrafe

1.1.2 Routine 2
Necessary time: ~7 minutes.
I advice to repeat this routine at least in weekly basis.
Press Reaction
Fast Aiming
Mass Click
Exact Aiming

1.1.3 Routine 3
Necessary time: between 5 and 15 minutes.
Perform in cases of boredom after doing routine 1.
Press Reaction
Exact Aiming survival x4 times reaching +10.000 points.
Exact Aiming Unlimited until you can't keep up with the amount of targets.
1.2 Training routines ingame

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Playing ingame is also important. Your perfomance ingame will be better if you're used to the weapon speed and refire/ship energy core. This can of course be achieved by fighting people, but that's not always an option. Therefore:

1.2.1 Bouy training.
Necessary time: 1-2 minutes.
Perform when using guns you haven't used before or in a long time.
Shoot the buoy in connecticut while sliding around it at different distances, trying to hit it. Video coming soon TM.

1.2.2 Commodity training.
Necessary time: 1-2 minutes.
Drop commodities in space/blow NPCs up and then shoot the loot while thrusting/sliding. Specially recommended with low refire guns. This will help you get used to the weapon slots on your ship. Video coming soon TM.
1.3 General training tips.

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Shoot smaller/harder to hit ships. If you can hit a rapier during a groupfight then it's very likely that you'll be able to hit the same player on a sabre. The harder it is, the easier everything else becomes.

Don't get frustrated. Aiming is hard. If you have trouble shooting small targets because your mouse "glides", try lowering your sensitibity. If you have trouble getting there, get a bigger mousepad or enhance your mouse sensitibity.

Aim400kg is a very demanding website. Don't be surprised if you get negative scores or you don't make it to the minimal rewarded one. When doing a workout, concentration and determination are more important than natural ability or age. Stick through and you'll notice the improvements over time.

These aiming routines are mere suggestions that I do myself. Don't be afraid to try other combinations or minigames, the more the better.

To-do list:
Dodging.
Attitude when training.
Cooler cosmetic format.


Feedback and opinions are both welcome.

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Offline Corile
04-12-2015, 09:16 PM,
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Nice to actually see a how2getgud tutorial.




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Offline Whenawhere
04-12-2015, 09:43 PM,
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1.1 Training routines with Aim400kg

So I tried this routines and i must say: Anyone who is willing to spend his/her time to do this, deserves to be Pro! I obviously deserve to suck and so i will (no way i will ever do press reaction test again)!
Anyway, thanks for trying to teach us something.

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Offline Yber
04-12-2015, 10:19 PM,
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(04-12-2015, 09:43 PM)Whenawhere Wrote: 1.1 Training routines with Aim400kg

So I tried this routines and i must say: Anyone who is willing to spend his/her time to do this, deserves to be Pro! I obviously deserve to suck and so i will (no way i will ever do press reaction test again)!
Anyway, thanks for trying to teach us something.

Reaction speed is there only to make you pay attention and stay focused. That's pretty much the only objective it has in these particular sets. My best score has been 0.283, if that helps you.

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Offline Jack_Henderson
04-13-2015, 04:32 PM,
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I am truly curious for this.
I am waiting for the dodging/avoid damage part and the group combat part, as I have to admit that I lack the necessary patience for aiming. Kudos for those who actually go to these lengths.

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Offline Haste
04-13-2015, 07:45 PM,
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You might want to mention that the answer to "How do I get good at PvP?" is simply "PvP a lot". Websites are fun and all but nothing is better practice than shooting and getting shot at.

Also don't play dota it makes you worse

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Offline Yber
04-13-2015, 07:55 PM,
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PvPing without an idea of what you're doing is inneficient. It took me 2 years to get decent starting from 0.

The idea for this training is to have a reliable way to get better without depending on teamzones or good people fighting back at you. It's not meant to substitute PvP entirely, but to make it a way to check your own progress.

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Offline Salmin
04-13-2015, 08:59 PM,
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(04-13-2015, 07:45 PM)Haste Wrote: You might want to mention that the answer to "How do I get good at PvP?" is simply "PvP a lot". Websites are fun and all but nothing is better practice than shooting and getting shot at.

Also don't play dota it makes you worse

Agree alot. 3000+ hours of wasting time, streams, tournaments. I`m loosing my aim.
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Offline Pepe
04-13-2015, 09:11 PM,
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Kudos for sharing hints and tips with community and trying to help. *bows*

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Offline Tachyon
04-13-2015, 11:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-13-2015, 11:26 PM by Tachyon.)
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(04-13-2015, 07:45 PM)Haste Wrote: You might want to mention that the answer to "How do I get good at PvP?" is simply "PvP a lot". Websites are fun and all but nothing is better practice than shooting and getting shot at.

Also don't play dota it makes you worse

Good comment, but go back to dev things now, okk??

Playing a lot without having an idea what to do is indeed not going to get you where you want; the pvpguide, this workout routine and optimally the assistance of someone who's already there (you really, really just need to ask those people) combined with a good number of ingame-hours, however, will improve your skill extremely quickly.
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