If someone flew in Rheinland systems in the past few weeks maybe he saw RWK tagged guys. Yep they are we. Before we try to be official (we collected the money and we will have the 5th member on the next week so the minimal requirement will be ready soon) I explain why I think how a new RM needed. 1st I absolute dont have any problem with [RM] team, we co-operating with them now and in the future too. I thought we will join to them, when I checked the team member list on their forum, because looked a strong team. But it has a problem.
Like the most official team here, the members play with their RM character very rare (except 2 guy who I see most of the days). Its OK until you dont need to fight in team. At this moment every time when I started to fight on [RM] side against pirates, the lawfull side lost almost all time. Maybe I bring bad luck to them, or - in my readings - maybe because they meet rare they cant fight together. I think noone say winning in a fight not important, because say anyone anything the fight is the base of the game, and I like to win like everyone. I saw very good examples in other places too and here on unlawful side how possible to co-operating. This is what I want to reach (again). For it need to play contnuosly and a lot of time together - and I dont feel how I can do it with [RM] members, sorry. So a few guy, who said "We want to play as true
rheinlanders, and all of our character will serve Rheinland" start to forming a team whose target next good RP, a good fight too. So our traders and escorts are formed the DHC, our fighter characters form the RWK.
Another thing why we want a separated RM team. Im sure everyone saw that how a player has a character on lawful side and another on unlawful side which the lawfuls deadly enem - example in Liberty Navy [LN] and in Liberty Rouges [LR] clan. In my readings its very wrong to team moral, one day I against that who
defended my back yesterday. OK how different character, but same player. In my readings someone with me (fully) or not. I can count to someone or not. But someone sometimes with me sometimes against me, well no thanks I dont need this type. I dont mind if our member list not count 30+ player, 6-7 enough too (just a note: I play almost every day, but I never saw more than 5 in same time from any official faction). The long of the member list not counting too much in game, but your and your wingman's skills. Im sure not the only one who think same with me, so if someone want to serve Rheinland with a full account and dont have Rheinland's enemy character on another account(s), and play often, he is acceptable. All detail will come from the next 2 weeks, so you have time to think about it. It was only an introduction of our debut, a "coming soon..."
You fought with RM and lost...and want to make another Rheinland faction so you can win... Most of the time RM gets ganked by 12 or more pirates and it gets dicey in there a lot of times. There are RM characters on. Maybe your timezone prevents you from seeing that. If there are RM that are switching to a Rheinland pirate then I'd like to know who they are.
If that's your only reason to make this faction, I'll have to say no. If you feel there's not enough RM on to play with....then join RM, put that tag on and there will be more RM on...see what I mean?
Your logic does not make any sense to me at all in the first point.
If you actually fought the RM in force, I think that you would be extremely surprised at how efficient they would be at completely decimating your fleet.
Your second reason for not wanting to join the RM is completely contradictory to the philosophy of Discovery.
We are not competing clans, Wolfspirit. Discovery, in itself, is a community. The game is fun because it is experiential, not because it is a competitive spaceships shooting game. You will find every other faction, or clan(whatever you want to call it), that exists here have members who are a part of other factions.
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@ Blunt: I think that it was a lapse of brain function.
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Good RP involves RPing not knowing where Vogtland is, and definitely not camping it or coming over to it just to "hunt a pirate". A few of the RNC cruisers floating around recently are guilty of that as well.
With that aside, let me tell you the reason you lost. The Rheinland unlawfuls know each other very well, due to the large skype chat we have that contains most of them, be it independent or faction players. This allows us a fairly good level of coordination, since we play a lot with each other. The reason why you lose whenever you join a fight is because you and the RM players do not know each other, don't train with each other, and hence lack the coordination. I have no doubts both of you perform better in your own teams rather than in mixed independent teams. Now if you want to win, then making your own "clan" is certainly not the way to do it, you will continue to lose that way. The proper way would be to actually join RM and get accustomed with them more...
I have to agree with Caylith here, instead of going through the looong process of attempting to get a faction proposal, why not just talk to RM officials to get you guys a seperate wing inside the RM. Possibly [RM]_____[K].
EDIT: @Blodo, yep I cannot count the numerous time I have along with other players on that chat that we coordinated a set-up for you guys(lawfuls as a group) to fall for.
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' Wrote:So you want to make this faction so you can win?
You fought with RM and lost...and want to make another Rheinland faction so you can win... Most of the time RM gets ganked by 12 or more pirates and it gets dicey in there a lot of times. There are RM characters on. Maybe your timezone prevents you from seeing that. If there are RM that are switching to a Rheinland pirate then I'd like to know who they are.
If that's your only reason to make this faction, I'll have to say no. If you feel there's not enough RM on to play with....then join RM, put that tag on and there will be more RM on...see what I mean?
Yes if I make a faction I hope I can win. I know what need to do for an organized fighting team, I did it earlier, hope I can do it again here. The key is the team work. I saw RM in battles, and I need to say you dont have too much conceptions in battles. Maybe just wrong RM members in wrong time zone as you think what I saw, but they dont worked toghether, dont helped out each others and so on. Could be good to be in the RM faction, but I dont saw until this time (I watch Rheinland for some month ago, until this time was only 1 (ONE) time how 5 RM member was online in same time, I usually play 8 - 10 hours in line so if RM has 20+ active member who play often, I needed to seeing more) how RM do anything for himself, I mean his better organisation, and dont see any sign how will be different in the future. This level maybe enough to you - absolutely no problem with it - but not to me. And because RM has own leaders Im sure noone bothering a new one's advices. Oh and another thing why I dont want to join. Until this time I helped to RM sometimes but when I needed help (my Rheinland Military character) in some hot situation they was close but they refused the help. So thanks again but this level not enough to me. (Just a note: if you dont help out other RMs when you can, why you think how they obey to your laws? I asked it from those who dont helped me too. Maybe this is just wrong time zone and wrong player, Im sure:)). I like to know can I count someone or not. If I organize and train a group, I know I can count them and they can count me.
' Wrote:I have to agree with Caylith here, instead of going through the looong process of attempting to get a faction proposal, why not just talk to RM officials to get you guys a seperate wing inside the RM. Possibly [RM]_____[K].
EDIT: @Blodo, yep I cannot count the numerous time I have along with other players on that chat that we coordinated a set-up for you guys(lawfuls as a group) to fall for.
Its absolute not far from us, as I said we wanna cooperaing with RM, possible how this will the end, we will see. Not the tag is the important to me, but who fly with me.
' Wrote:Good RP involves RPing not knowing where Vogtland is, and definitely not camping it or coming over to it just to "hunt a pirate". A few of the RNC cruisers floating around recently are guilty of that as well.
I dont know what do you think, we dont use any cap ships only fighters and bombers. We dont camp around Vogtland, if we are there just because we follow pirates thats all, but never waiting there.
I fear you DHC/RWK guys have a wrong understanding of this server and this community.
As caylith already said, join the RM if you wanna play as rheinland military.
There are already four german RM members and you have definitely seen us.
btw: Instead of trying to enhance your role-play in common (or even provide some) you had nothing better to do than to PvP in Halle.
I hope you guys are not a reincarnation of these [Rheinland] teenies.
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