POB Restoration; Fair or Not?

[Implosion]

Righto, some of you already know I'm the new Core leader, some of you don't.
The admin team has lately payed quite a lot attention to us and helped me, and by extension the Core|, with a lot of issues that were caused by various bans, sabotages, plots, etc etc.
I've been trying to get the Core back to it's previous state, pre-sabotage/ban/conspiracy/tinfoil hat crisis.


And there's one last thing left to do.
Several months ago, sometime in July, Invicta Research Complex popped.
I was away back then, so it took me a bit to gather all the details of the entire situation.
I requested for the base to be restored, but no dice.
Apparently, it died out of negligence. That's not true, however.
Let's see at what Laz (The one who took the fall for stealing Core shared ships) had to say about Invicta:
http://imgur.com/uNEUrt4
(Names blurred. I'm not trying to point fingers, this is not the idea of this thread.)
So let's see, take away the transports, slam 16.6x more crew on the base.
5000, to be exact. A bit too much for a Core 3 base.
The results? Not enough ships to supply the base with extreme decay rates.
@Geolog noticed that the base was often failing on health hella fast, no matter how many times it was supplied. He'd often call in the chat for support, but without it's leader or it's shared transport fleet, the Core, and it’s base, were dying slowly but surely. The whole infrastructure required to supply a base was nuked to oblivion and pretty smart too. It was made to look like negligence. The base would wither faster than usual and with reduced number of supply ships, it would eventually die.

From what I've seen and read, that place was a rather busy one.
Let's imagine you're an indie Core. You do nomad missions, you sell the remains on Invicta.
Trader? Supply Invicta and smuggle back nomad remains.
Maybe you're a corsair?Or a nomad? Or maybe even someone else who hates the Core? Hit the nomad farming Core Makos.
The plan was, at that point, to get it to Core 5 and cement it's place in the Omicrons.
And it's not like the base was locking down a crucial “space highway”.
Here's some of the Role Play involving Invicta:
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Now, without the Core in the Omicrons, people don't have a scapegoat to shoot at, at will.
It's a simple machine, take one gear out and the whole thing fails.
Invicta does not only furthers the Core's goals, it's an asset for everyone in the Omicrons.
And it was destroyed. Not by righteous purification by fire, like a base I'm about to mention.
No, it was sabotaged, as I have proved above.
As you may have guessed, I've applied for the base to be restored, since at the time I thought there was no reason for it not to be.
But, turns out I was wrong Okay, cool. We'll build another.
Don't get me wrong, the Admin Team said:

We understand that some of these players might be in charge of factions on Discovery. We're extremely sorry that we must take away the head figure of your organization, if there is any way that we can assist you please don't hesitate to ask us.

And they did helped us quite a lot. We got the shared ships restored, for which I and the whole Core| are very, very grateful. We've already raised our activity quite a bit.

However, I've a question. And here comes the kicker.
Why Solitaire Metropolis was restored and Invicta wasn’t?
It was sieged and obliterated by [RHA]. (Props to Wesk and his gang for next level base destruction techniques, btw.)
Yet, Metropolis got restored. Invicta was maliciously and mercilessly sabotaged and it's restoration has been denied? I mean...what?
Why the discrimination? Why is it possible for someone and not possible for others?
A whole sector's activity could be raised by that one base, yet, people are acting like it died because it was abandoned. I mean, come on. You ban the leader of the faction and soon after its whole fleet of transports gets stolen. These are things a leaderless faction can't overcome.
With Lyth banned and our shared ships out of the picture, The Core|, Invicta and by extension the Omicrons were doomed

Do note that the point of this thread is not to hate on Solitaire, people who sieged it, people who sabotaged Invicta, people who encouraged them (I know who you are). No.
The idea behind this thread is to understand why a rather straightforward request was denied, despite all the evidence provided. (Evidence I’ve worked hard to get, by the way)

So, indulge me and explain to me why is the Omicrons' activity inferior to Metropolis?
Why are we not being treated equally? Wasn’t that the whole point of this place?
Have fun, shoot at pixels in space, unwind a bit.
Anyhow, I’ve my flak jacket on, so fire away.

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[Wildkins]

even worse is seasons base, which got sieged by a LN dread without any roleplay and blown up

said LN dread was then sanctioned for breaking ID and POB rules, but the base was never restored

granted it was years ago but mmh

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[Chrono]

Your station was sabotaged by one of your own and you want the admins to restore it for you because someone was dumb? No, not fair what so ever. Control your members better. Go build another one. End. Of. Story.

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[Implosion]

Your station was sabotaged by one of your own and you want the admins to restore it for you because someone was dumb? No, not fair what so ever. Control your members better. Go build another one. End. Of. Story.

There's other variables in this equation, not just the sabotage.
How does a leader control it's members if he's banned? What could Lyth do? Circumvent his ban and save the station? Yeah...we all know how that would've ended for him.
It wasn't only Invicta that suffered, it was Core and the Omicrons' activity by extent.
I'm trying to bring more people up there and Invicta is another good tool I can use to achieve that particular goal.

[Kauket]

Your station was sabotaged by one of your own and you want the admins to restore it for you because someone was dumb? No, not fair what so ever. Control your members better. Go build another one. End. Of. Story.

Abusing one's trust is pretty unfair. Griefing your own faction is a dick move - and supporting that type of action only tells you what kind of person you are.


See, I wish it were so simple as "build another one" - when you waste literal days to weeks setting it up. Because I helped build it up when I had tons of spare time. (the first Invicta)

[Ruairi]

You bring up a good point. A base that was (barely) legitimately destroyed pops back up, and then a base that was completely defenseless because of sabotage due to:
- The leader was gone
- All the transports were gone
- Activity was probably REALLY, REALLY low

---receives no support.

I honestly think Metropolis was restored because everyone was getting extremely angry at Wesker's PoB murder rampage, while not nearly as many cared for your base.
Although I barely know any of this situation so BLEHHH.

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[Thunderer]

I have some kind of a probably very imprecise hunch that we're steaming towards the point of ochlocracy. If this is an argument, it might be a double-edged one for this thread.

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[Durandal]

I really, really wish that the administration hadn't set a precedent for base restoration at all because it opens up a whole can of worms. My general thoughts on the matter is that if a base died to legitimate game mechanics - rules notwithstanding - tough.

In light of that situational restoration precedent that has now come into play however, it seems pretty low not to restore Invicta given the circumstances.

[Laura C.]

I really, really wish that the administration hadn't set a precedent for base restoration at all because it opens up a whole can of worms. My general thoughts on the matter is that if a base died to legitimate game mechanics - rules notwithstanding - tough.

If the victim of rule breaking will be left with permanent damage (think of destruction of base which was running for months or even years and thus incredible amount of time and credits was invested in it), then there would have to be even more serious permanent damage as punishment for violators. Like up to wipe of -all- their game assets or permabans.

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Alley]

I might crush your dreams here but there's no backup of that base left. If there is, it's on a server we cannot access anymore due to ~reasons~. You're probably better off building Invicta v2, that could generate some nice activity if you make people participate in its construction.

As for punishments, Laz suffered the consequences of what he did and it's not like he's coming back any time soon.

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Alley was right.