An Open Letter from the 2iC of the Order|

[Jeremy Hunter]

This is an open letter to every enemy and everyone interested in role play with the Order. This is by me, and me alone. Omicron had no part in this.

I have flown, roleplayed, lived, breathed the faction since 2009. My first ship was a Nephthys, paid for by SwissScorch (now Heartless) upon returning after I had a yes, temper tantrum after a sanction I felt was unjustified (it was justified). Ever since I returned I roleplayed, I flew and harassed NY, played in Minor and Delta. I've flown since before Omicron. Back in the day, Vape and I recruited a young player who wanted out of TOP and to do more. All these years later, [TOP]Omicron became OCV-Spectre, Order|Michal.Golanski, Order|CV-Inquisitor. Order|CV-Fedayeen.

I grew as well. Jeremy_Hunter was joined by OCV-Ghost.Eye, OCV-Oathkeeper, OCV-Destiny’s.Embrace. OCV-Missing.Ache (eventually Cerberus|AV-Kusanagi) Today these would are Order|Jeremy_Hunter, Order|CV-Ghost.Eye, Order|Destiny’s.Embrace, Order|SD-Kusanagi, and finally - Order|CV-Oathkeeper. I'm working on two SRP requests, I have three different Order centric stories on backlog.

But I am one person. I'm losing people who no longer find the game fun, even I have lost my drive due to drama, drama, more drama. But if I cave in and quit nothing will change. All my progress will again mean nothing, will again be another Fallen Grace. And I refuse to make such a mistake again.

As such, this is an open letter.

Core, K’Hara, Vagrants, Oracles, Wild, Outcasts, Hellfire, Auxesia. I've talked to most of your leaders when I was on Skype regularly, hell last year I'm pretty sure I talked to most of you almost every day. This letter is my call, my plea, for cooperation. We've been at each other’s throats and have argued and had problems. But it only will end up driving people away. Despite our issues with others, we have to set aside our issues and cooperate.

Back in the day, the Core had HC in the Order, and vice versa. We got along pretty well, and even after ganks we chilled quickly and moved along. Nowadays the Core and Order have a blood feud that cannot continue. It's gotten to the point we are literally enemies, not in roleplay but in reality. The hostility should remain ingame, where it belongs.

I'm setting aside my pride in hopes we can work together. No logging to slaughter each other in whatever system we possibly can until they have nowhere left to go, no ganking. No more OORP hate. I have held almost zero animosity to most, if not all, Core| leaders since Lyth. I'm in K’Hara and talk with Huggie almost every time I get on Skype. I've talked with a few Vagrants, and I've flown with Oracles on Sovereign. I've roleplayed with Auxesia since before they were Official, and even when they were hostile neutral until attacked in Liberty.

I'm willing to sit down, and talk. The OORP drama, the hatred, the logging and killing us to the point we are demotivated to log. It's not healthy for the Order, for the Nomads, for the Spectres and Infected. For the Core and their offspring factions. It's gone on long enough.

For everyone interested in Order Roleplay:

I know a lot of people are interested. I know a lot of people dislike Omicron for his stubbornness, his hotheaded attitude, his brick wall of will. I've dealt with him for years. I know he can be a pain, but so can I. Everyone can be a pain, and harming a faction because you disagree or dislike someone will backfire in the end. I know I'm not liked. I've been called “the worst thing to happen to the Order” before, I've been downcried and seen as a terrible player by a lot, seen as a joke by most. But the same can be said about almost anyone who doesn't fit the mold. The same can be said about many others in the aforementioned factions. It's not just us. But we don't have to let that stop any of us from sitting down together.

The Order| not only is always open but if you talk with me and bug me I will get to you. If you bug me regularly I won't forget to add you (sorry Shelco ;- and I will be glad to help with your roleplay. And if the Official Faction doesn't have the type of roleplay you want or are looking for, and you don't feel we will entertain it (answer: we will. I'm here after all) then there are independent factions for different facets.

ORG, who I've personally talked with extensively, have begun fixing things. They learned the hard way in some regards. They are getting better and growing, and with help can be awesome.

OBSC is one facet of roleplay I have personally helped with - the Sleeper Cells. During the time of Rodent, I helped with and eventually led the Liberty Sleeper Cell. I now inrp command all Order assets in Liberty/Bretonia. But OBSC has gone a bit farther and has made as much as they can, using multiple ship types and not always using Order vessels. The Sleeper Cell idea is a fun one to entertain. And OBSC is a good starting point, they're pretty decent and try and not spam caps.

And finally, the newcomer of Task Force Providence. More closely aligned to Vanilla Order, as they are striving to be, they are not as militaristic as Order|. A smaller group idea for instant countering is good. It's something I wanted to do with Gallant Dawn, my battlegroup, but it is quite hard without people. If your looking for less “Sleeper cell” and more “covert black ops” like the Donau Incident, I feel these guys have a good direction, but they need to execute it eight. I hope they do.

In the past we had Horus, a cloaking cruiser group for Operation: SPEAR that grew past its original mandate and became Horus. We had 141, which merged with the Order. O’Rhu, the Hellhound Reactionary Force. Different facets and views of the Order have been done by factions since the beginning, from rising to Officialdom (Bs|) to falling to obscurity (TCG, sort of). We've had the Human Supremacists of Cerberus. We have seen it all. And all, in their lifetime, were amazing. I was even in Cerberus| for a bit.

Why am I showcasing indies? Because I was an indie. I built my background as an indie, and I've also co-led an indie group called The Preservers. I know and understand the want of autonomy and to pursue something you think is the better and more correct course. I do. I want to help anyone who's wanting to roleplay the Order - it's my favorite faction, it's been my favorite since vanilla.

This is my open letter.

Enemies, I want to sit down and work together.

Those who wish to play the Order, I encourage and want you to.

But I also want to make the Order better. I've heard many different accusation, concerns, and dislikes with the faction, especially after the Fall of Minor. Please, post here with your questions and concerns and I will strive to answer them. I know the faction better than anyone but Omicron. And I want to help clear up the air, clear the drama, the dislikes, and get better. From lore to mentality, roleplay, structure etc. I've always been here to answer and want to say this: I am open to talk to. But my PM box doesn't get filled really, and I rarely get PMs on Skype about information. Mostly gripes.

So please. Help me. I can't do this alone. Nor do I want to.

Please, keep this civil. I'm coming to the community because I can't do this alone, nor can Omicron. The bad blood has to be cleared. For the health of our factions and the regions we inhabit, it needs to end.

Please. I'm coming to you alone, as Second in Command and as a name that is damn near synonymous with the goddamn faction, to the point people might still think I have led or am leading the Order.

I hope we can have a civil, constructive discussion that will both help clear up problems, and help all of us eventually get along, and help everyone have fun.

-Jeremy Hunter, Second in Command of the Order|

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Reeves]

I feel the fact you already regard the situation as divided in the sense of there being enemies, or more aptly, a 'them and us' kind of deal is flawed on your part. If you truly hope to mend anything that's the first thing you should drop, along with several other obvious double-standards, but that's only my two-cents and after all, what do I know?

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[Jeremy Hunter]

I feel the fact you already regard the situation as divided in the sense of there being enemies, or more aptly, a 'them and us' kind of deal is flawed on your part. If you truly hope to mend anything that's the first thing you should drop, along with several other obvious double-standards, but that's only my two-cents and after all, what do I know?

I meant that as INRP enemies, as it's with many of them that the animosity and divide start with. As for other dibble standards - I've tried to address them, but I'm only human.

Thank you for your feedback.

[Reeves]

I can appreciate the fact that you're owning up to where you've felt you're falling short, that's somewhat admirable. But I will say that the current issue isn't so much because of you but simply because of a mind-set that's sunk into some other people. I will not point fingers or name anyone, but these people know very well who they are, prone to shutting out concerns and meeting it with crass attitude.

There have been several occasions in the past, not necessarily for you, but for your 1ic and the rest of your leadership to defuse tension, but that hasn't really happened, in fact there's either been silence or more gasoline chucked into the fire. Many people seem to be condemning something, only to then be found doing the very thing themselves and sticking their noses in the air when questioned about it.

If you want something fixed, you're going to have to bring everyone who we all know are stuck in a rut of passive-aggression into speaking terms, with whomever is willing to speak.
There's a huge difference between speaking and talking. One entails listening and the other does not. I'd prefer if listening actually happened, I wish you luck. But I won't be holding my breath to see a change.

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[Sombs]

Just to clarify: The Vagrants have, from what I know, no issue with the Order|. We had some pews with some Order| which were pretty okayish. There is no bad blood from our side, I think.

Personally however, I think the Order playerbase doesn't offer much more than either running around for pews or being the stereotypical arrogant "My business is not your concern"-captain that willingly violates Freeport 11's NFZ on multiple occasions while not really offering anything one could have a non-pew RP with. And I'm saying this as person who flies many indies, not only Vagrant.

ORG has pretty much to redeem itself for actions in the past, and the only thing preventing me from filing another FR5 against Cleveland as his Iona character obviously is now on an Osiris that acts like there never was a problem with Zoners, is that I simply can't be arsed to do it all the time people come up with /renameme or switching factions. From what I heard there is some progress in their improvement, and I look forward to see that, rather than the I-need-to-bring-repeatedly-capitals-to-snub-battle mentality.

What I'd wish to see is generally less of the wannabe mysterious approach, because another military faction that spams capitals and braindead unreasonable fighters in the Omicrons has literally nothing mysterious and looks rather ridiculous. That I-stand-above-everything-else attitude shown in the past by the Order is dumb for a faction that should be relying on charisma, manipulation and charme, as Orillion had exactly those traits and less ressources. Give people some points to connect on rather "easy" RP opportunities, and don't throw weird family connections at them with people that have like two or three pseudonyms and magic powers.

Reason is the last thing I've encountered from the Order playerbase in the ten months I am playing actively here.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

I can appreciate the fact that you're owning up to where you've felt you're falling short, that's somewhat admirable. But I will say that the current issue isn't so much because of you but simply because of a mind-set that's sunk into some other people. I will not point fingers or name anyone, but these people know very well who they are, prone to shutting out concerns and meeting it with crass attitude.

There have been several occasions in the past, not necessarily for you, but for your 1ic and the rest of your leadership to defuse tension, but that hasn't really happened, in fact there's either been silence or more gasoline chucked into the fire. Many people seem to be condemning something, only to then be found doing the very thing themselves and sticking their noses in the air when questioned about it.

If you want something fixed, you're going to have to bring everyone who we all know are stuck in a rut of passive-aggression into speaking terms, with whomever is willing to speak.
There's a huge difference between speaking and talking. One entails listening and the other does not. I'd prefer if listening actually happened, I wish you luck. But I won't be holding my breath to see a change.

There is a difference, and there needs to be more listening and not merely talking. But I cannot control others. All I can do is speak, and no hope others will listen.

Just to clarify: The Vagrants have, from what I know, no issue with the Order|. We had some pews with some Order| which were pretty okayish. There is no bad blood from our side, I think.

Personally however, I think the Order playerbase doesn't offer much more than either running around for pews or being the stereotypical arrogant "My business is not your concern"-captain that willingly violates Freeport 11's NFZ on multiple occasions while not really offering anything one could have a non-pew RP with. And I'm saying this as person who flies many indies, not only Vagrant.

ORG has pretty much to redeem itself for actions in the past, and the only thing preventing me from filing another FR5 against Cleveland as his Iona character obviously is now on an Osiris that acts like there never was a problem with Zoners, is that I simply can't be arsed to do it all the time people come up with /renameme or switching factions. From what I heard there is some progress in their improvement, and I look forward to see that, rather than the I-need-to-bring-repeatedly-capitals-to-snub-battle mentality.

What I'd wish to see is generally less of the wannabe mysterious approach, because another military faction that spams capitals and braindead unreasonable fighters in the Omicrons has literally nothing mysterious and looks rather ridiculous. That I-stand-above-everything-else attitude shown in the past by the Order is dumb for a faction that should be relying on charisma, manipulation and charme, as Orillion had exactly those traits and less ressources. Give people some points to connect on rather "easy" RP opportunities, and don't throw weird family connections at them with people that have like two or three pseudonyms and magic powers.

Reason is the last thing I've encountered from the Order playerbase in the ten months I am playing actively here.

First: I apologize, I did not wish to make it seem like Vagrants and the Order had problems. This is an open letter to all our enemies, to attempt to extend andndpologizellndn olive branch and foster better cooperation and fun. Sorry.

2.) I told ORG, for weeks, to cut down the military wing. They learned the hard way and are getting better. I'm proud to have them, honestly.

3.) The arrogance comes from vanilla. "Newark, do not interfere, we are here to protect the president!" BOOM goes Donau. Yes agents should loosen up, a lot. Doing that when not doing an op, when just flying, ends up killing RP.

4.) Caps on snubs is really disliked all around an rounds I've spoken against it. And yes. I've ganked. I shouldn't have, and I admit it.

5.) I try to be manipulative and charismatic. Dont think it works, or it does?

6.) Is that last bit a jab at me? It feels like a jab at me.

7.) And all playerbases have their problems. The Order just gets it because PROTAG FACTION YE.

Thank you for your feedback. I'll answer any questions or concerns still.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Sombs]

I think it's both a jab at you as well as at Shiz, because when I was involved with something that threw me into the roleplays of Ace (so far the only Order guy I ever had a really good experience), Shiz, and I think you as well, I tried to read myself into the Order things. I mean the entire weeaboo thing is purely subjective and I won't jump on the Let's-Hate-Anime-Characters-In-Disco train, but all the pseodonyming of Order-related characters, those intransparent family connections and circlejerks (No, that's my sister!) and what not. Intransparency is a big thing from you two, especially with Shiz as he purged everything. So I gave up on that RP and later your guys gave up as well. (The one situation where my main character was asked to bring Yuki to Cambridge and nobody ever contacted him later.)

I mean, there are lots of groups with a more or less enclosed RP, and people claim and blame I have the same with Foxglove and a few others as we do the non-ship-based parts of Roleplay external, on Skype, totally avoiding interaction and whatever, but it always looked to me as if you guys would have that enclosed RP on the forum. I prolly got that impression simply by never really seeing you ingame, because of time zones.

It's subjective. Take it as critique if you like, but it's merely a statement of why I see the order playerbase the way I see them.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

I think it's both a jab at you as well as at Shiz, because when I was involved with something that threw me into the roleplays of Ace (so far the only Order guy I ever had a really good experience), Shiz, and I think you as well, I tried to read myself into the Order things. I mean the entire weeaboo thing is purely subjective and I won't jump on the Let's-Hate-Anime-Characters-In-Disco train, but all the pseodonyming of Order-related characters, those intransparent family connections and circlejerks (No, that's my sister!) and what not. Intransparency is a big thing from you two, especially with Shiz as he purged everything. So I gave up on that RP and later your guys gave up as well. (The one situation where my main character was asked to bring Yuki to Cambridge and nobody ever contacted him later.)

I mean, there are lots of groups with a more or less enclosed RP, and people claim and blame I have the same with Foxglove and a few others as we do the non-ship-based parts of Roleplay external, on Skype, totally avoiding interaction and whatever, but it always looked to me as if you guys would have that enclosed RP on the forum. I prolly got that impression simply by never really seeing you ingame, because of time zones.

It's subjective. Take it as critique if you like, but it's merely a statement of why I see the order playerbase the way I see them.

Okay so, the entire Yuki situation is a veritable mess. The retcons that have to be done do to misinformation, roleplayers leaving, roleplayers retconning, etc make that entire thing just painful. I still have a headache.

As for "all characters interconnected" yeah, that's a thing. Mostly Shiz and I. My character Jeremy (with the oh so scary telekinesis that I rarely use due to it not being extremely important/trump card/migraines) is only connected to Yuki because his younger sister Rika is in a relationship with Yuki's stepmom Rin, stepmomomething that happened before Yuki ever met Rin.

Honestly that time was an utter trainwreck, and still gives me headaches due to all that ultimately happened. Like poor Yuki. She keeps getting retcons because of misunderstandings, things going too far.


That's the Yuki situation. Otherwise I don't really remember interacting with you on much of my Order ships or with Order characters. Correct me I'm wrong.


And finally...that is why I did this. I want to mend these views. At least...I want to start mending these views.

[Sombs]

As for "all characters interconnected" yeah, that's a thing. Mostly Shiz and I. My character Jeremy (with the oh so scary telekinesis that I rarely use due to it not being extremely important/trump card/migraines) is only connected to Yuki because his younger sister Rika is in a relationship with Yuki's stepmom Rin, stepmomomething that happened before Yuki ever met Rin.

I think that sentence is the best sum-up on the entire thing between you and Shiz

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[Goldberg]

Since I saw the Core name, can I get a tl:dr?

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