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sutinga - what is the issue with it?

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sutinga - what is the issue with it?
Offline nOmnomnOm
03-24-2017, 03:45 PM,
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Im wondering what can be said that is poor about the ship. Why isn't it used more?

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Offline Haste
03-24-2017, 03:46 PM,
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It's a bigger Guardian.

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Offline nOmnomnOm
03-24-2017, 03:49 PM,
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(03-24-2017, 03:46 PM)Haste Wrote: It's a bigger Guardian.

so it has the same stats as guardian but bigger?
Would that be the only flaw that it has? Its size?

How much can this be in a disadvantage and where is there for me to use as my advantage?
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Offline Haste
03-24-2017, 03:53 PM,
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It used to be hilariously broken because people forgot to add a shield bubble to it. That made it seem balanced with rather poor stats for its size.

It has since been given a proper bubble, but its stats weren't revised. I really dislike the model so I always tried to convince people to make a new model, and then the stats would be modified accordingly.

The same can be said of the Sunrider, tbh.

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Offline Inferno
03-24-2017, 03:54 PM,
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(03-24-2017, 03:49 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote:
(03-24-2017, 03:46 PM)Haste Wrote: It's a bigger Guardian.

so it has the same stats as guardian but bigger?
Would that be the only flaw that it has? Its size?

How much can this be in a disadvantage and where is there for me to use as my advantage?

Did you just assume the Guardian was bad?
BigGuardian is just an Avenger.


I think it's just the turn rate and the shape/size. With Medium VHF stats, it shares the Guardian's main attribute that it's rather slim head on but if you turn it's like turning a Moray. You show a giant target to your enemies. Found out that turning got me shot more than jousting in it.
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Offline Inferno
03-24-2017, 04:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-24-2017, 04:03 PM by Inferno.)
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(03-24-2017, 03:53 PM)Haste Wrote: I really dislike the model so I always tried to convince people to make a new model, and then the stats would be modified accordingly.

The same can be said of the Sunrider, tbh.

Doesn't fit the Renzu line as it is and yeah, I do think it needs a new model. But who will make it a new model? I know we can't bug Swallow to make more cool things (I think Swallow has had too many models for the next two years).
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Offline The Sovereign
03-24-2017, 04:04 PM,
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If you don't mind waiting an undetermined length of time, I could try making a model for it.
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Offline nOmnomnOm
03-24-2017, 04:06 PM,
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(03-24-2017, 03:53 PM)Haste Wrote: It used to be hilariously broken because people forgot to add a shield bubble to it. That made it seem balanced with rather poor stats for its size.

It has since been given a proper bubble, but its stats weren't revised. I really dislike the model so I always tried to convince people to make a new model, and then the stats would be modified accordingly.

The same can be said of the Sunrider, tbh.

so since you dislike the model , it isn't ballanced?
Im confused . Am I wrong?
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Offline Kauket
03-24-2017, 04:25 PM,
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He simply means the model is hard to balance. Nothing to do with personal taste...
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Offline Haste
03-24-2017, 04:26 PM,
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That's actually not what I said. I think the model is poor quality and doesn't fit the line. Therefore, under the assumption of it getting a remodel, I postponed changing the ship's stats.

I could still give it a few buffs here and there but I'd be worried people would actually fly the ship)))

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