Some Thoughts on the Current BH Debacle

[NonSequitor]

In light of recent events, I believe we need to streamline the role of the BH.


Here's my suggestion to do that:

1) The standard Bounty Hunter hunts for bounties throughout the Sirius Sector (with the exception of Kusari). His/her source of income comes from bagging the bag guys. They may use any ship class from LFs to gunboats to get the job done (ship class guidelines will be in the new ID in any case).

Pirates may not ply their trade in anything larger than a gunboat, so the same should apply to the BH.


2) The Bounty Hunter Guard pilots may hunt for bounties if they are piloting anything from a LF to a gunboat. Bounty Hunter Guard capships (in this case a destroyer/BC/BS) may not claim any bounties nor participate in a bounty hunt. Larger ships are reserved for operations against the Order and the Nomads.

However, the BH capship may defend itself if fired upon (Corsair capship/bomber group opens fire first) or if the rp situation calls for engagement if diplomacy fails (another pilot is firing on BH npcs and/or has BH pilots in his hold). Of course, if the "offending" party is trying to fix rep and has to kill BH npcs to do it, then it's reasonable to turn a blind eye to his activities.


So, if you strip away the ability for a larger capship to hunt bounties, that would make the BH side think long and hard about launching any large scale assault on Gamma. They couldn't be there for bounties, so another reason to be there has to exist (an rp reason, prearranged battle, etc.).



Comments?

[Zapp]

Maybe make it so that the capitals can only collect bounties placed on Nomads/Order, or on other capital ships of similar or greater size?

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[X-Lancer]

kudos to Megiddo..but..we can make the big capital ships only can collect bounty on Cruiser~Battleship class ship..same for Cruiser..

[pchwang]

Unfortunately, I don't really see how Capital ships can collect bounties efficiently. Thinking realistically, they are difficult to mobilize, and to use them to make a few grand is probably not their intended purpose. I'd prefer to see increased payoffs on Capship bounties, and a bunch of BH Bomber pilots getting together to take it out.

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[LA-384]

Maybe i was misinformed, but isn't this exactly what's going to happen in 4.85?

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[sovereign]

"bounties placed on Nomads/Order" they like to fly fighters sometimes too... I remember Yuri complaining about never getting to use the cool Nomad Fighters because nobody flew anything smaller than a cruiser in the Omicrons.

I'd say that cruisers could be called in to deal with Heavy Capital Ships or with anything that has repeatedly proven that it will obliterate anything smaller despite ship class differences (like if someone tried to bounty Zapp).



What I'd really like to see is the BHG operating in House Space much like pirates do. Pirates use GBs on down to pirate traders, and the BHG would use GBs on down to hunt them. Both get cash from their activities, big happy family. Pirates, however, have cruisers sometimes for when the going gets rough; like for dealing with the military, causing an ample distraction for moar pirating, etc. BHG can pull out their Heavy Capital Ships for such a job, and should be rewarded handsomely.

In the edge worlds.... the BHG are trying to gain a foothold in the Omicrons, and are getting paid to slow the advance of the Corsairs and Outcasts. For all of them a few caps are warranted: the Hispanics and the Order are quite famous for being well-armed and numerous.

Keyword, few. Large cap groups should be reserved for large cap groups. In the same token, I'd like to see people bring a cap with their fighter party (if its in RP, of course) when they expect to see an escorted cap; it feels about as useful to sit in a cruiser and try to shoot bombers as it does to try and whittle down a cruiser in a fighter without debs. It's not very fun, and you usually die. But that's another story.

Anyway, the BHG, even the militarized BHG, are rooted in cash. I'd say that operating something that looks like a bounty board for operations in the edge worlds would be along the right tune. Pay them for each kill they make with a balanced fleet (cap, cap(s) + fighters, 2 or 3 fighters), so long as they follow reasonable caution a la Eppy's mandate to Outcasts about Manhattan (don't go closer than 10k, in RP it's suicide even if you can do it ingame).

Thoughts?

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[looqas]

I like what I read there Megiddo.

Pretty easy to remember too.

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[Stoat]

Unfortunately, I don't really see how Capital ships can collect bounties efficiently. Thinking realistically, they are difficult to mobilize, and to use them to make a few grand is probably not their intended purpose. I'd prefer to see increased payoffs on Capship bounties, and a bunch of BH Bomber pilots getting together to take it out.

Mmmm, perfect world.

Edit: That's what I want to happen the last time I ran across Mon'Star, but there were no other hunters around.

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[SigCorps]

Yeah come 4.85 The BH Guard can not go after bounties. So no getting bounties in Cap ships. So we just ahve a little bit (hopefully) to wait till this situation resolves itself.

But I agree, now cap ships should not be able to collect bounties on anyhting other then cap ships. Also any raids really should be coordinated this way folks whoe want to be out of the way can be. BUT this also goes both ways. Not sure how many times I saw multiple lunch boxes floating through New london and Cambridge this past holliday season.

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[NonSequitor]

Yeah come 4.85 The BH Guard can not go after bounties. So no getting bounties in Cap ships. So we just ahve a little bit (hopefully) to wait till this situation resolves itself.

But I agree, now cap ships should not be able to collect bounties on anyhting other then cap ships. Also any raids really should be coordinated this way folks who want to be out of the way can be. BUT this also goes both ways. Not sure how many times I saw multiple lunch boxes floating through New london and Cambridge this past holliday season.

Thanks for all the input thus far. And no flamage yet, despite the nature of the topic. Huzzah to us all!

@SigCorps: Whether or not Guard tagged and IDed ships can hunt bounties within their ZOI in the upcoming mod is a matter that is still unclear to me. In my view, any ship up to a gunboat should be able to, in good conscience, regardless of belonging to the Guard faction.

When I think about the larger BH capships (or rather warships), I consider them to be exclusively military assets. As was already pointed out, it doesn't seem terribly realistic to dispatch a warship to collect a bounty - even if the bounty is another large warship.

Instead, you would need a team of bombers, gunboats and possibly fighters, to take on the bigger targets. This would encourage teamwork and help foster a better spirit of fair play. If this model works, it would essentially separate the wheat from the chaff - warship pilots would have to adapt to this new role or scrap their larger capships for something smaller.

Concerning putting bounties on Order and Keepers - it isn't a totally unknown practice in wartime for the leader of an opposing faction to place bounties on particularly troublesome individuals. This sounds like a fun idea, as long as we find someone to provide the actual funds. Of course any BH can engage them sans bounty - they are enemy combatants, not some knuckle-dragging riffraff, who stole a shipment of boron from a hapless trader.