In normal organizations, what you did would be disobedience. Perhaps some would even call it mutiny. Don't do it again. There, you may consider yourself disciplined.
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All right, as most of you know we have been discussing adding a few ships and editing our identification. Now, I have a pair of ships that I think would fit in well (Barring some editing to make them fit better and whatnot) and thus add some pictures of them at the bottom of this post.
Also, there was talk of taking Tekagi's base for our own. It would take a manual edit of the reps, plus actually making Tekagi's base fully fledged (Equipment dealer, bar, ship dealer, and a cargo dealer, if nothing more then for credit cards and a place to sell stuff), and creation of a "Corrupt" ID for them. Do-able, and I personally would be willing pay real money to get all this done if you would let us Igiss. I'm sure quite a few other Phantoms would be willing to chip in as well.
Opinions, discussions, requests, comments, and so on are welcome.
EDIT: Since I cannot upload the files I have myself, I'll have to direct you towards the mods in question so you can download them and see for yourselfs. Again, both of them would need tweaking to fit into Discovery The Prometheus The Peacekeeper
EDIT2: Another slight amendment, found one modifyable ship pack that just might have some interesting ship models to tweek. Take a look for yourself.
This is the real true story of rock and roll; it was not about anything more then, how to live your life, as a gangster, in sartorial splendor, and turning the world into a place where normality would never return again...- Malcolm McLaren
Kane,Nov 13 2006, 11:44 AM Wrote:All right, as most of you know we have been discussing adding a few ships and editing our identification. Now, I have a pair of ships that I think would fit in well (Barring some editing to make them fit better and whatnot) and thus add some pictures of them at the bottom of this post.(...)
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Nice ships. Well textured and modeled.
I think those will fit the phantoms more than current ships. After all, the phantoms are supposed to have alien tech. I think its time to show it.
Tekagi base is dockable. But i think you have to be aligned with one of the corrupt arms of the navies in order to dock.
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(Really, I speak terrible English, so please, tell me if I make mistakes. I'd like to improve it a bit )
This is why it would be necissary to edit the reputations of all Phantoms (Only 7 or 8 of us anyway) to make us allied to and afiliated with Corrupt Kusari, I think. Plus the addition of a "Corrupt" ID. We can call it Corrupt, but it'll realy be the Phantom ID. And since the Corrupt Kusari forces shoot at everyone anyway, it would be perfect as a base for the Phantoms. Can't dock unless your one of us. ;)
This is the real true story of rock and roll; it was not about anything more then, how to live your life, as a gangster, in sartorial splendor, and turning the world into a place where normality would never return again...- Malcolm McLaren
Kane,Nov 13 2006, 01:33 PM Wrote:This is why it would be necissary to edit the reputations of all Phantoms (Only 7 or 8 of us anyway) to make us allied to and afiliated with Corrupt Kusari, I think. Plus the addition of a "Corrupt" ID. We can call it Corrupt, but it'll realy be the Phantom ID. And since the Corrupt Kusari forces shoot at everyone anyway, it would be perfect as a base for the Phantoms. Can't dock unless your one of us. ;)
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Yes. But are corrupt forces hostile to all, like nomads? If you are aligned to them, for correct RP alignment, should all other factions (except for the corrupt ones) be set to hostile? You would be unable to dock to every other base except for tekagi.
I think that making the Corrupt factions joinable would be useful for terrorist or corrupt factions. But the rep system will have to be tweaked and altered for that.
Should i split this thread to a new discussion thread to avoid this dump to be contaminated by OOC?
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Again, this whole are is open to disscussions and suggestions, so if any Phantoms have either of those lets hear 'em.
This is the real true story of rock and roll; it was not about anything more then, how to live your life, as a gangster, in sartorial splendor, and turning the world into a place where normality would never return again...- Malcolm McLaren
Not so sure about the ships in the mod pack, but the promotheus and peacekeeper look fine to me.
As for the base, it'd be nice for the phantoms to actually have the rep our RP means we should, all pirates and terrorists friendly, nomads neutral, everyone else hostile.
Then we wouldn't get so much confusion and pretty much all our enemies would come up as they are suppose to, red in the HUD.
Though we do need a definate answer to the question of 'what are the order now?' because claiming that hte order is a lawful faction kinda falls flat when they're allied to the corsairs.
As for the zoners, well they're aren't as neutral as they claim, kill too amny BHG or lawful NPCs and they go well into the red.
We will need some weapons and equipment sold at the arch, if we're allowed to use it, because otherwise we have to go running all over the place just to get the 'special' weapons and equipment.
Neutrals to nomads cant be.
The lost battlestar is aligned to nomads. And the admin stuff is sold there. The idea is that the nomads being hostile to all stops non admins to dock there and get the uber stuff that is sold there.
So unless Igiss adds a new base in next version aligned with the admin faction, Nomad rep will stay as it is now.
the last thing we want is paople getting the hands on infinite shields, and 25k4 weps.
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Hmm... Perhaps the Corrupt forces could be given zero empathy to everyone, and just about hate indiscriminantly. The Corrupt ID would be sold there, as well as in a couple of other places and take the place of the Terrorist ID.
Example:
Welcome to the ranks of the Corrupt. These people are the terrorists and psychotic homicidal loonies of the world. These people kill at a whim, and can be seen with various types of unsavory folk. Some have even had claims of seeing Corrupt flying and conversing with Nomads.
While I would trust all current phantoms not to abuse the admin stuff, I do see the point of not docking at the Lost Battlestar (Although if I remember correctly, that has it's own faction now). We arn't going to be recruiting any time soon either, but again that is up to the Admins.
I'm still waiting for a responce from Igiss about his thoughts on this. So, untill he get's down here this is all hypothetical.
This is the real true story of rock and roll; it was not about anything more then, how to live your life, as a gangster, in sartorial splendor, and turning the world into a place where normality would never return again...- Malcolm McLaren
Sorry to say that but both ships that you propose here will not fit in. The Peacekeeper dreadnought is something terrible, I've seen this model in several mods and... well, you may complain about Marsflyer or Star Wars ships, but that one doesn't even look like a ship.
As for The Prometheus, never seen that one before, but as far as I can see from screenshots its model is simple and dull. Not that it's bad, but it is also nothing special. In the last versions of Discovery I tried to avoid ships like that.
Let's continue with disappointments. Tekagi's base. If you *try* to make it dockable, make sure that SP campaign will work with your modifications enabled. As for claiming this system home, I hope I already did mention many times that original systems are not for claiming. All factions own new, almost-empty systems right now, and purchase of Tekagi will obviously pull Phantom far ahead of everyone.
Next issue is the Corrupt ID. You know that Corrupt Navy has no NPCs, bases and ships. Creating new NPCs at bases is the part of modding I've always been avoiding - it takes great loads of time while providing barely notable results. And Corrupt ID should theoretically be sold at Corrupt base, right? Changing corrupt rep might affect singleplayer too, and RP-wise, as far as I remember, all those 'corrupt' forces were supressed after SP campaign ends.
Lost Battlestar is not aligned to nomads. But I see no reason to make nomads capable of becoming friendly or even neutral. Visiting nomad bases is even more weird than piloting nomad ships; a ship might've been captured and adopted for humans to control it, but how a nomad base should look like, I hardly even imagine. And if there are no bases, no points in becoming neutral/friendly.
Well damn, nothing positive there then. Though I have to say when discussing our options,
we didn't consider the SP campaign at all if I remember. Our mistake.
Tekagi's base was never a claim for the system though ... Just a better and unique option
than our current adopted one, in the same system.
The Nomad situation, had been thought out, and dropped for the reasons of neutrality, which
would have caused all sorts of problems.
Igiss, if you have any ideas that would work for us, we would appreciate your input.
The Xenos idea has worked pretty well so far ...
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