I've been doing some thinking. Why do the Gaians need their own gunboat? How would they GET it? Why do they have a gunboat and no other ships of their own? Pretty soon, the Gaians will no longer be Corsair allies, meaning that the Mollys, Hackers, Outcasts et al will no longer be enemies, and they'll only have the Bretonian authorities to worry about, thus not necessitating a gunboat.
It also occurs to me that the current Gaian gunboat shares many design similarities with the GC Very Heavy Fighter: the elongated, rounded section, the two... whiskers? The GC also have more enemies to worry about than the Gaians (namely, the Kusari authorities, the Hogosha, the Farmers Alliance and the Corsairs), and have a shipyard in their guard system that currently only sells VHFs and Bombers.
And it also also occurs to me that the Farmers Alliance would be far more likely than the Gaians to get a gunboat, as they are, of course, backed and funded by Samura, who pretty much own most of Kusari.
And so, I propose the following changes:
The Gaians lose their gunboat. The Claymore is reskinned and given to the GC, as it fits nicely into their design aesthetic and makes a good deal more sense.
The GC VHF is moved off Takada Shipyards onto another base in Tau-65 (possibly Morioka).
The GC gunboat is put in its place on Takada.
The Farmers Alliance gain a gunboat of their own.
The Gaians, instead of their own GB, use the Farmers Alliance GB, due to their alliance with... the Alliance.
This way, the GC can stop using the Blood Dragon GB (which from what I recall is supposed to be the Dragons' jealously guarded design, like all their ships) and get a GB that fits their design aesthetic, the Farmers' Alliance gain their own GB to counter the Dragon and GC gunboats instead of using a Gaian gunboat, and the Gaians lose a design that, frankly, didn't make much sense to begin with.
the gaian gunboat is meant to be a joint efford of pro-kusari forces that helped them to guild their own gunboat. that is why it actually shares kusari GB style. - the GC ships look similar, cause they share kusari styles, too.
the gaians are mainly pirates with only few idealists left ( regarding to the ID card ) - but players like to turn the proportions around ( like they do with the BHG - saying that the majority are ex-criminals, when in fact, only a miniscule minority are ex-criminals ) - the gunboat is the best vessel to pirate transports, - while not as powerful in dishing out damage like a bomber, its much more durable. - it fits to the piracy and terrorist activities of the gaians, imo.
if the gaian gunboat is too much ( when i made it, i was aware that it was a wide stretch in possibilities for such a faction ) we can just loose it. it would NOT go to any other faction though. there are a lot of bretonian elements on the GB that would not fit to a pure kusari faction at all. but in order to take it away from the gaians, - you ll have to speak to the [NLH] as the only official gaian faction. if they say "alright, take it away" - i ll have it deleted from the mod.
' Wrote:So GC which before 4.86 owned one TINY depot in Hokkaido get VHF and bomber....AND gunboat.
And gaians have nothing (they own at least 2 bases btw - one in Edinburg and one in Newcastle).
Because well everyone wants to play GC and nobody wants to fly gaian or? And we don't want anyone to fly Gaian....
GC now have TWO bases outside their guard system: Ainu and the Battleship Matsuda. GC also have more potential sources of funding than the Gaians: the Outcasts, the Junkers, their own piracy efforts, the Bretonians... whereas the Gaians are about to break their ties with the Corsairs, and the Green Front are likely to give them the finger too for turning from idealism to mindless piracy.
And this is in no way intended to drive people away from the Gaian faction. I just think this makes sense, for reasons outlined above.
well, you have good reasons there - but its really also an incentive to spice up the gaian faction, that is - while constantly active - running on a low flame. - and sure, the GC could probably build a gunboat, too.
errr... do they "need" one? i mean in RP - not just as another feature... i always though of the GC as a swarm of mostly lighter ships. - gaians however, - to me, everything in bretonia is rather "heavy".
' Wrote:well, you have good reasons there - but its really also an incentive to spice up the gaian faction, that is - while constantly active - running on a low flame.
- and sure, the GC could probably build a gunboat, too.
errr... do they "need" one? i mean in RP - not just as another feature... i always though of the GC as a swarm of mostly lighter ships. - gaians however, - to me, everything in bretonia is rather "heavy".
There are other ways to spice up a faction. More bases, better weapons, new places to interact. Making their enemies more active. Their own shipline is of course among them, but jumping straight to a GB without any fighters is sorta... weird.
And the GC probably can no longer use the BD GB. Like you said, gunboats are a very effective piracy tool, and the GC are pirates as well as freedom fighters. In addition, the GB could come in handy trying to overthrow the Kusari government. Granted, the GMG crushed the Rheinland navy without caps, but the GMG were fighting on their own turf, in one system which they knew well, as opposed to the GC, who are fighting in multiple systems against an entire House military and police.
it was a byproduct while i worked on another ship - but.. why exactly is it weird to jump to a gunboat? - gunboats are the lowest grade "jacks of all traits" ships..
and gaians can get the civi line - but would have trouble aquiring a gunboat from their only gunboat-producing allies ( corsairs ) ... the other ally ( farmers ) doesn t have one.
so a gunboat was really a logical idea. - now you can say "alright, give it to the farmers then" - but does it change anything?
edit: that means - right now, gaians have a GB, farmers have a bomber. - usually the gaians can use the bomber if they like ( and have guard faction with the farmers ) and the farmers can buy the gunboat ( and don t even need guard faction - now aren t the gaians nice? )
if the gunboat went to the GC however - gaians wouldn t be able to use it anymore, cause they are enemies to the GC - not too fair from the gaians point of view i daresay.
I can't think of any gunboat-owning faction that did not get fighters first. The Corsairs, the Outcasts (who, I add, only got theirs this version), the Rogues/Mollys, the Hessians... For the Gaians to get a gunboat without any fighters or bombers just seems to be jumping the gun a bit here, no pun intended.
And again, this is why I suggested also giving the Farmers a GB. Evens things out, yes? The FA Bomber infocard mentions the Farmers selling some Bombers to the Gaians; the GBs aren't that much of a logical leap...
I have an interesting idea for a Gaian LF if anyone is interested. I previously had more, but I've since forgotten. I don't know how to really make things, but I could probably make an image if there's the possibility of future Gaian ships...
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