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Offline Soban
10-05-2025, 03:14 PM,
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Log Report 1
Mac Donagan
Position: Livadia administrator and Phoenix Fleet Engineer
Topic: Ship study: Red Hessians

I’ll begin this progress report with a brief recap of our knowledge of Rheinland vessels.

Regarding Rheinland shipbuilding, our pilots have already gotten hands-on experience with civilian Rheinland ships—various transports and the Tiger Shark, in particular. Years of operating and maintaining these hulls have given us a solid grasp of how they function and the design philosophy behind them.

Ships specifically designed by the Red Hessians are another matter. We’ve seen a few militant Zoners bring their Hel or Grendel to Livadia for repairs, but our practical knowledge of these frames is limited compared to the civilian types. Even so, it’s clear they’re shaped by the same cultural and historical concepts that inform broader Rheinland engineering. We also have combat records from joint actions with the Red Hessians against the Corsairs, which provide valuable performance data.

Under the guidance of Red Hessian shipwright Herr Müller, here are our planned research steps:
  1. Select and train crews to test, pilot, and employ the ships in combat drills for one month. Goal: give crews a feel for handling while engineers acquire baseline know-how for maintenance and field repairs.
  2. Dismantle both ships and configure Engineering to produce components specific to these designs or identify Zoner-built alternatives where feasible.
  3. Crucial phase: attempt full scratch-builds. Grendel first, followed by Hel.
  4. Conduct a one-week test period, then forward each hull to Vogtland Base for final inspection.

If we successfully complete these steps, we should be able to produce these ships to strengthen both our trade convoys and defense fleet.
Should any phase fail, Mr. Müller has provided contacts to procure second-hand hulls as a contingency.



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Offline Bussie
10-19-2025, 10:45 AM,
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Grendel tech report.
Greetings, Mac Donagan! Francuasa Martz online.
Me and some crew members decided to check how ship, class-Frigate "Grendel", can handle Omicrons systems environment, if it's useable for combat tasks as different role ship, if it's possible to use it in exploration missions, and, of course, how it's dealing with transporting goods.

During our multiple flights across Omicrons systems we have found next things about combat abilities of this Frigate and it's vitality:
Thesis: "Grendel" it's good example how in one ship could be combined role of transport, explorer ship and gunboat in same time. However, it's more take gunboat part, what make this Frigate more orientired in combat usage, as covering allies for example.
Explanation:
Analiz of combat and vitality aspect: This frigate have four weapon plants for standart gunboat turrets, two for gunboat heavy turrets, and one plant for forward gun, more than that, this ship also can use gunboat mines what make this ship very dangerous in battle, as almost every frigate in general. But more noticeable thing in beginning it's that frigate "Grendel" have only seven weapon plants, while other frigates like "Peregrine" have eight weapon plants. Such disadvantage can be compensated by it's maneuvrability and compact size. On this ship also can be mounted shields for gunboats, as on other frigates, but stock of it's batteries is only 585 shield batteries and if we will compare it to other frigates, we can notice that "Peregrine" and other have more capacity of shield batteries. More over than it, Powercore of "Grendel", have advantage if we will compare it with other frigates like: Hogosha Frigate "Raba", Gallic Frigate "Taureau".

But from all frigates I could admit Civilian Frigate "Peregrine" have better statistics than "Grendel" by powercore, batteries of shields (720 units), cargohold size and maneuvrability. However, "Grendel" still have good characteristics due to more adapted weapon and defensive systems with compact size and hull armor. Hull armor of "Grendel" not so hard and big as on "Taureau" but it's still better than on "Raba" and "Peregrine". According all what have said above we can agree with it and confirm that ship is good for combat aspect and cargo carry is more background aspect, what can become good additional for cover our ships and also bring more goods. This frigate can hold high radiation in such system like Omega-41 and fly through very tight spots in asteroid fields, what also can be counted as plus for fuch frigate.

Rheinland engineering school, for sure, can be admitted in high quality construction and reliability of their machines. But due to more standart and adapted decisions of their engineers for Rheinlands, we meet some difficulties in beginning to taught crew how to do maintenance of this ship, but it's not impossible, just take some more time. Construction in general simple, but as for everything new it's requires time to understand how it's work.

As for explorer purposes it's have by default "Munnin scanner aray" what looks like good decision for exploration part of this ship. This frigate can handle high radiation level, hard pressure from enemy guns and wild environment of Omicrons systems and this scanner is perfect addition for that characteristics what will allow us to explore more dangerous spots where before we didn't step. For now this scanner is doing good to searching wrecks and cargo on very far distance from ship, but it's not limit of it's possibilities and with some construction and mechanic adaptation could be used for analyze asteroid for minerals, planets and etc. In general, this scanner can be upgraded, and must be, to allow us surveying systems in general. For example we can use some components from scanners which using on ship "Corvo", to adapt this scanner aray and increase it's range and power for long range scanning tasks and more over than it.

As summary all of that we can came up to next results:
"Grendel" is compact ship which is fast enough to escape from enemy, can be used for surveying systems, and can be used for combat assistance. Not so big cargo hold and missing one weapon plant was compensated by scanner aray, which possibilities can play in our work good role. This frigate will become good additional for our fleet, and on my opinion we need to buy more of them.

Also important to mention about our talk with one Zoner captain who shared his knowledges about piloting and commanding "Grendel" frigate. In general he admitting positive sides of this ship, like good powercore, maneuvrability and etc. But in same time he said that more prefer to use "Peregrine" for transporting good and other purposes due to more advanced Canarians ship decisions. However, in result we came up to opinion that "Grendel" is good frigate by large number of plusses of this ship. I will attach logs from blackbox and some photos that I have made during our little research.

[+]Photos
Archive of Grendel camera: Size compare and guns test.
[+]Blackbox
[18.10.2025 20:21:58] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Greetings, my friend!
[18.10.2025 20:22:14] Briggs_Haeninas: Well hello there
[18.10.2025 20:22:33] Briggs_Haeninas: Nice Grendel youhave here.
[18.10.2025 20:22:57] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Thank you! I'm only only making my steps with that ship.Can you help me a little bit with photosession?
[18.10.2025 20:23:34] Briggs_Haeninas: Well, I do have a Grendel myself, but what is a photosession?
[18.10.2025 20:24:05] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I'm collecting data about this ship. Trying to understand if it's even good or not.
[18.10.2025 20:24:16] Briggs_Haeninas: A nice remote picture that does appear on a monitoring screen?
[18.10.2025 20:24:56] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Well, something like that. Trying to compare Rheinland ship industry with Zoner industry.
[18.10.2025 20:24:57] Briggs_Haeninas: Truth be told, I really like the Grendel.
[18.10.2025 20:25:23] Briggs_Haeninas: As much a parts bin special it is, it really is quite versatile.
[18.10.2025 20:26:05] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: So you said you have grendel as well, right? Can you tell me please how it's for Zoner flying on such ship? Hard or-
[18.10.2025 20:26:07] Briggs_Haeninas: Ample cargo hold, good manoeuvrability, enough power to sustain a long fight.
[18.10.2025 20:26:10] (\^/)Adephagia: easy for begginer?
[18.10.2025 20:26:46] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I see, according technical information it's something middle between transport like serenity and gunboat.
[18.10.2025 20:26:50] Briggs_Haeninas: Hard-ish. Quite like a gunboat on steroids.
[18.10.2025 20:27:06] Briggs_Haeninas: With much more room to carry things.
[18.10.2025 20:27:23] Briggs_Haeninas: Exactly!
[18.10.2025 20:27:46] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Indeed! more cargo good for trading and more powercore and weapon plants even better to protect yourself.
[18.10.2025 20:28:01] Briggs_Haeninas: As much as I like the Serenity, it's slow and the transport turrets are...meh.
[18.10.2025 20:28:10] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I'm looking forward that Zoners can use such ships in wide.
[18.10.2025 20:28:26] Briggs_Haeninas: So, for a frontier-like job, the Grendel is excellent.
[18.10.2025 20:28:43] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: So it's even good for exploration?
[18.10.2025 20:29:10] Briggs_Haeninas: It's...adequate.
[18.10.2025 20:29:10] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Like...Deep omicrons maybe?
[18.10.2025 20:29:47] Briggs_Haeninas: In the open, it can stand its ground. In tight spaces, it will be much more difficult.
[18.10.2025 20:30:39] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: So it's good for harsh weather on Planets with difficult climate, but feeling not so well to explore deep corners-
[18.10.2025 20:30:43] (\^/)Adephagia: of Sirius?
[18.10.2025 20:30:58] Briggs_Haeninas: A gunboat size vessel like the Corvo will still be easier to manage in the deep Omicrons.
[18.10.2025 20:31:38] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Aha, I see. So Grendel is not best option for exploring.
[18.10.2025 20:32:16] Briggs_Haeninas: Yeah, it's like the second round : Corvo and other explorers chart, Grendel will punch through when the paths are oopen.
[18.10.2025 20:32:43] Briggs_Haeninas: With good firepower and none of a cruiser complexity.
[18.10.2025 20:33:03] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Interesting, I will note it in my tech report.
[18.10.2025 20:33:54] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Maybe you faced problem but uhm... How you manage to do maintenance? It's quite hard for me understand-
[18.10.2025 20:34:09] Briggs_Haeninas: All in all, a perfect ferry across tough star systems, but not an ubiquitous one.
[18.10.2025 20:34:24] (\^/)Adephagia: Rheinland engeneering schemes and their technical decissions.
[18.10.2025 20:34:25] Briggs_Haeninas: The guys from Livadia Shipyards did wonders.
[18.10.2025 20:35:05] Hiei: yes some are .
[18.10.2025 20:35:22] Briggs_Haeninas: They prefer working on their own designs, but their expertise in these remote places are second to none.
[18.10.2025 20:36:03] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: So harsh Rheinland engeneering is better because more adapted for combat than Zoners, right?
[18.10.2025 20:36:14] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: For such places like Omicrons.
[18.10.2025 20:36:28] Briggs_Haeninas: My brother Connor flies one of these ships. He put an "old" Insurgency overcharger engine, and boy does this brick fly.
[18.10.2025 20:36:45] Briggs_Haeninas: It's...a different approach.
[18.10.2025 20:37:33] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I just have task compare Grendel with Zoner benefits and understand if it's suitable for us to use.
[18.10.2025 20:37:44] Briggs_Haeninas: Traditional Zoner way is a reliable, usually simple and quite elegant design. Rheinland and it that case Hessian is more in you
[18.10.2025 20:38:01] Briggs_Haeninas: your face. Bulky. But strong
[18.10.2025 20:38:51] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Yeah, I see... More face tank transport but also good stats to make some moves to avoid fire.
[18.10.2025 20:38:53] Briggs_Haeninas: Truth be told, Zoners would largely prefer using a Peregrine frigate than the Grendel. More or less the same.
[18.10.2025 20:39:54] Briggs_Haeninas: Canarians engineers did a great job with the Peregrine. A bit wider than the Grendel. My other brother flies one as a Freelance
[18.10.2025 20:39:57] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Well, guess Peregrine will be next subject for ressearching.
[18.10.2025 20:40:59] Briggs_Haeninas: Yup, but if you tend to work, deal or just fly through Rheinland space, a Grendel is quite reassuring.
[18.10.2025 20:42:03] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I see. Maybe after some modifications of it's hull could make this ship hold Omicron environment better.
[18.10.2025 20:42:12] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: At least I hope on it.
[18.10.2025 20:43:18] Briggs_Haeninas: Environnmental hazards are usually nothing to scoff at, but the Grendel and Peregrine shields and plating are really strong.
[18.10.2025 20:43:43] Briggs_Haeninas: Frigates only fear dense asteroid belts
[18.10.2025 20:44:16] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I also noticed that Grendel have extened stock of shield batteries. Almost six hunderd... Unbeliveable!
[18.10.2025 20:44:17] Briggs_Haeninas: The Hogosha have one of their own, and I heard Gallia has one too.
[18.10.2025 20:45:05] Briggs_Haeninas: And frigates still use nanobots for emergency repairs, whereas cruisers and above can't.
[18.10.2025 20:45:31] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Yes, it's good additional for such great ship.
[18.10.2025 20:46:07] Briggs_Haeninas: Plus you can mount Vandal missile silos or Silencers ones. Quite efficient.
[18.10.2025 20:46:47] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: You right, such big various of weapons can be mounted on this hybrid of transport and gunboat.
[18.10.2025 20:47:22] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: It's rare to see when such ships become a successful.
[18.10.2025 20:48:19] Briggs_Haeninas: Eh, to each, their own I suppose. People want to captain mighty battleships, but lighter ships are way more efficient and don't
[18.10.2025 20:48:27] Briggs_Haeninas: rely on others.
[18.10.2025 20:48:37] Briggs_Haeninas: Independence, my good fellow.
[18.10.2025 20:48:57] Briggs_Haeninas: At any rate, I should be on my way to Freeport 5.
[18.10.2025 20:49:27] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: You have point, but this ship feels amazing. Good maneuverability and combat stats.
[18.10.2025 20:49:36] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Oh already need to go?
[18.10.2025 20:50:04] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Maybe I can go with you and fly on this ship in different parts of Sirius? Escort you to Omega-41.
[18.10.2025 20:50:06] Briggs_Haeninas: Best of both worlds, eh? Personal tip : I prefer the Ravager to the Riposte mine.
[18.10.2025 20:50:34] Briggs_Haeninas: Fine by me, come along:
[18.10.2025 20:50:46] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Yay! Okay I will notice your tip.
[18.10.2025 20:50:57] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Follwoing after your lead.
[18.10.2025 20:51:17] Briggs_Haeninas: If you want, we can go to Omega 58 and "probe" the Wild there.
[18.10.2025 20:52:10] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I think maybe next time. I'm did something with powercore of this ship and now I have low regeneration process.
[18.10.2025 20:52:30] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: But I still can escort you to Jump holes!
[18.10.2025 20:53:09] Briggs_Haeninas: Understood, cruise engaged.
[18.10.2025 20:54:14] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Next stop is Freeport 5, right?
[18.10.2025 20:54:14] Briggs_Haeninas: Coming with me in O41?
[18.10.2025 20:54:25] Briggs_Haeninas: Indeed my friend.
[18.10.2025 20:55:00] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: I have switched on this channel to make it easier for us to communicate.
[18.10.2025 20:55:49] Briggs_Haeninas: Right. Please be aware that I'm not fond of Corsairs.
[18.10.2025 20:56:12] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Me as well.
[18.10.2025 20:56:46] A bounty of $900 credits has been deposited into your account.
[18.10.2025 20:57:08] Briggs_Haeninas: They shot some friends on Freeport 9. This ship had another captain before me. It was a wreck, towed to Lanzarote shipyards.
[18.10.2025 20:57:29] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Ouh... Sorry to hear that.
[18.10.2025 20:57:59] Briggs_Haeninas: Well, drinks are on me on FP5. Let's go, shall we?
[18.10.2025 20:58:22] (\^/)Sophos: inv pls
[18.10.2025 20:58:28] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Ahoy! Engines full forward!
[18.10.2025 20:58:39] (\^/)Sophos: grendel has a fwg no?
[18.10.2025 20:59:49] Briggs_Haeninas: I do believe I have a coolant leak on engine 3.
[18.10.2025 21:00:39] Briggs_Haeninas: I will need to stay longer than I thought. But I'm a man of my word, next Rheinbier is for me!
[18.10.2025 21:00:49] Hashihime perished at Yuzu.Kakero's hands(100%)
[18.10.2025 21:00:58] (\^/)Adephagia: Francusasa: Hm, I see.
[18.10.2025 21:01:29] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: Well, let's meet in bar then.
[18.10.2025 21:01:42] Briggs_Haeninas: I wish you safe travels
[18.10.2025 21:02:13] 2025-10-18 21:02:14 SMT Traffic control alert: Briggs_Haeninas has docked
[18.10.2025 21:02:24] Briggs_Haeninas: By the way, Adephagia is a nice ringing name.
[18.10.2025 21:02:27] (\^/)Adephagia: Francuasa: For you as well! Hope we can meet in near time once again.
[18.10.2025 21:02:51] Death: SD_IndependentLogistics was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[18.10.2025 21:02:57] Briggs_Haeninas: Same goes for you, friend!
With best regards,
Francuasa Martz.

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To: Daniel Mac Donagan - Livadia administrator and Phoenix Fleet Engineer
Date: 15th November 835 A.S.
Subject: Test report of the Hel Cruiser provided by the Red Hessians




Hello Mac Donagan,

I hope you and the always charming Karen are doing well and you are enjoying lovely time together on Athens.

The crew of the anti-snub prototype cruiser ZCV-Bululu at Corfu Base also signed up for the experimental flights with the Hessian cruiser you sent to the station.

You will find their report here.


Weaponry

Heavy turrets and defense turrets

While the Fearless is designed for defensive tactics and is equipped with two rear defense turrets, the Hel is clearly a cruiser designed for frontal attacks, with two heavy front turrets and one rear defense turret.

The Hel's weakness at this point is definitely the angle of the heavy turrets. They are mounted on the upper side of the ship's deck, which means they cannot fire at targets below the cruiser. This means the crew must turn the vessel before it can hit targets below with the heavy turrets. This is not an ideal solution as it causes valuable time to be lost in a tight combat situation.

The rear defense turret is positioned at the bottom of the ship and enables the targeting of enemy vessels behind and beneath the ship. However, there is only a small angle at which it can attack enemy targets behind and above the ship.

This means that there is basically a blind spot behind and above the ship which is not covered by either heavy or defense turrets.

By way of comparison, the Fearless has its blind spot below the vessel.

Basic turrets

The variety of mountable weapons on the basic turret platform of the Hel is the same as on the Fearless.

However, the mounting points are placed differently.

The Hel has three basic turrets on top and three on the bottom of the ship.

The Fearless has two basic turrets on top and four on the bottom.

Tests showed that placing a cruiser flak turret on each of the middle top and bottom platforms makes the Hel able to defend itself against torpedo and missile attacks from all directions. This gives the Hel a huge defense capability.

The testing crew were also surprised by the cruiser's auto pulse cannons, which could fire upwards from mounting points on the bottom of the ship to the left and right. During the combat simulation, it was able to disable the shields of the capital ships of the simulated enemy in all situations.


Shields

Both the Hel and the Fearless can mount the same variety of cruiser shields.


Power core

In terms of power cores, the Hel has a significant advantage over the Fearless.

Its power core is around 25% stronger, allowing the Hel to provide more firepower and faster regeneration of power supplies and shields.

This also optimizes the combination of weapons and shields, enabling the Hel to turn attack situations to its advantage, whereas the Fearless is intended for defense purposes only.


Hull and size

The Hel has almost the same armory as the Fearless.

The front of the Hel is slightly narrower, so it is a little longer than the Fearless.

Overall, the Hel appears to be a longer and bigger target than the Fearless.


Docking space and maintenance

This Hel is too long and does not fit in our dry docks at Livadia.

This makes external maintenance and repairs quite uncomfortable, as the ship needs to be moved forward and backward in the dock.

We need to extend the length of the dry dock as soon as possible.
On the other hand, all the maintenance shafts for the weapons, the onboard computer and the internal life support systems are inside the ship and are designed for people with a broad build.

The engines and thrusters are easily accessible and can be replaced quickly. It is therefore recommended to keep a full set of spare engines and thrusters in stock. It's easier to make a quick exchange than to do the necessary repairs and modifications in a warm repair hall rather than in the open space of the dry dock.

The same applies to the gun turrets. The engineers at the Wolfsburg Shipyard have developed a quick solution called KLICKFix. This can be used on a mooring fixture with the support of a mobile crane. All turrets can basically be clicked in and out of their platforms. This means that the ship's weaponry can be changed within minutes, which is an incredible advantage in rapidly changing battle situations.


Usability

The Hel can be operated by a crew of three: a pilot, a board engineer and a weapons operator.

The advanced, second-level, AI-supported AR turret view, based on integrated camera drones, provides the whole crew with a constant, all-round overview of the ship.

Comfort and crew quarters

The Hel's crew quarters are designed for a crew of four people working in three shifts. Each of the four crew members has their own comfortable cabin with a private bathroom and amenities.

All cabins are equipped with an entertainment, gaming and environmental simulation system for relaxation.

There is also a fitness area for body conditioning and yoga.

A shared dining room and cafeteria is intended to encourage social bonding and interaction within the crew.


Other equipment

The Hel has a docking module slot for supporting snub units. This is a huge advantage over the Fearless, which has no docking bay slots.


Summary


The Hel is comparable to the Fearless in terms of armor, but it has a stronger power core and a greater focus on heavy turrets than defense turrets, making it an excellent attack cruiser.

The balanced mounting points of the basic turrets on the top and bottom sides of the ship give the Hel excellent defense capabilities against missile and torpedo attacks. They also allow pulse cannons to be mounted for deshielding purposes at a reasonable firing angle.

With its docking module, the Hel can support snub operations to increase the operational radius, survivability, and rearming of fighters, bombers, and small mining freighters on combat and exploration missions.


I hope Karen and you did enjoy the report for a quick cool down!

Best regards

Bululuman








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