Alright, please post in your RP ideas regarding possible Order BHG war outcome, please include Keepers and other interracting factions as well if you have ideas.
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The BHG Core, ill-equipped to deal with the insidiousness of the nomads and their technology, ends up hopelessly infested. They then use their huge warfleet, larger than any single House (apparently), to take over Sirius and once and for all rid the nomads of the human plague.
Edit: Maybe the Order, along with the Houses, can stop them, but it seems unlikely. The Order is too busy fighting the actual nomads, and there's no convenient hypergate to open or nomad power supply to destroy this time.
It's obvious that the Order will fall at some point, because the BHG is limitless in their ressources; not the Order. The Order will probably flee to Crete or to Freeports, operating small groups, or will maybe just completely disolve, letting the Zoners do the anti-nommie job.
I think that the Order, while fewer in numbers, still has stealth, surprise, and higher level technology
The BHG will have it's forces spread far too thin eventually, fighting a gurella war against a technologically superior enemy...that and the Order forces being basically locked up in a fortress, it will be hard for the BHG to actually do anything unless Isis is lost
The BHG need to get more of a defense for their base in Delta, otherwise it will eventually be overrun by Nomads, maybe even having the order save their bums
If the BHG can manage to get a good defendable position in Delta (their base is more or less hidden, but not well defended) They may be able to push farther out into the Nomad worlds
The Order is basically the pinnacle of human technology.
They have a network around Sirius, and they have nearly limitless resources.
The Core also has nearly limitless resources.
I'd have to side with the Core actually becoming infested and then going to war with the Order more avidly than before.
In the ensuing war, they'd probably tear each other to pieces and rip the Omicrons to pieces in the process of doing so. It would take ages, but the Order would probably survive after the destruction of the Core and the destruction of most of the Order (and probably the destruction of Omicron Minor with the Core/Nomad fleets) in some small form and rebuild the Order - though I'm not sure if the Nomads would be too powerful by then or not.
I see Order on the losing side of things judging from the general overview of things. Order is having problems with Corsairs in means of keeping the alliance fully fruitful (rebels even getting aid in player RP, which shows the player view - which is something important for a morpg). LSF / LN is getting bolder every day and Order cannot operate within house spaces freely.
Order, in RP, gets its resources from secret donators and behind the scene organizations etc but Hunters are daily causing losses on Order and expenses, in my opinion, exceeding the income while Hunters get paid for each kill they do and in Sirius, everyone has someone that he/she wants dead.
Keepers are also getting stronger with the activation of Chester base and soon, I am expecting them to move to Delta to "whoosh" whatever they see and push Order out of Minor (since it has a way to Tohoku, Wilde residence).
I am expecting Order to become a "less known - hidden" group operating in even more secrecy. I guess its better to see Order and get surprised like when we see a GRN ship, rather than seeing "Hey Order, whats up" kinda thing, while Order is being pushed a lot.
I was expecting an Order rebellion RP for months now and finally someone, even if it needs some retouches, started it. Order command structure is also in need of a polish and re-shapening (HC voting etc shows that in RP I believe) and so, this kinda "uncertainity" gives the enemies to strike even harder.
What I would expect as epic is though, getting the Nomads to open that Major sphere with an epic force, pressing from Delta and there and crushing the Minor, Order retreating to some hidden, remote location and hiding VERY WELL from eyes and ears of others.
I gave this some thought at work today, and while our input here may not make any difference in where Igiss sends things, I think that it can be interesting to see what people think is or might possibly be happening.
The Core, at this point in time, probably has more resources available than the Order actually does. In our RP, we're actually trying to exploit and utilize Nomad technology, so that we can use captured and reverse engineered weapons on our ships. There's big money in that, after all.
At the same time, there are too many distractions in Sirius for the Order to get the same full amount of support that they had in the past. Previously the Nomads were attempting to control governments and their puppets, and it effectively was one house (with Nomad backing, of course) against everyone. Now the houses themselves have degenerated into war, and while this is going on, it's going to provide a distraction from the big, bad alien menace. While three houses may cooperate - the diplomatic ties are going to be strained due to the way the houses are in conflict.
In addition, with Gallia thrown into the mess as well, whose to say that the Nomads haven't already infested THEIR government? And the only reason for the gate lockdown there is to prevent that discovery by the 'normal' humans in Sirius until the time is right.
One mistake I think most people are making is in confusing the Guild with the Core. The Guild is all the regular hunters in Sirius, has bases in the houses, and is the main public face of bounty hunters everywhere. The Core is (as we're RP'ing it) a quasi-religious organization, with some similarities to the old Knights Templar. They are very military minded. They have a 'go-to-hell' kind of approach to combat, as evidenced by the way their ships fire. The Core doesn't worship Nomad Technology so much as want to exploit it so that they can have control of it for themselves, so that they can become stronger and more of a force.
After all, if you're the force behind the throne, then who cares who actually sits on the throne?
The main thrust of the Core is in Delta, with bases also in 56 and 15. Dabadoru is supposedly secret, and should be stronger than it is. Regular Core cap ships ... aren't really concerned about Corsairs. They want to defeat the Order, to capture their system if possible, to become one step closer gaining both access to, and control of, the Nomad technology.
What I see as a vision is something like this: The Core has more resources now than the Order alone. At the same time, an ally of the Order, the Corsairs, is seeing an opening in Bretonia, and may attempt to move on them there, diverting assistance that would normally go to the Order. In addition, the Zoners and their neutrality / assistance are also being stretched due to the joys of dealing with house spaces at war. Throw in that Liberty can deal with one threat OR the other, and may not be able to deal with both at the same time, and I could see Liberty trying to cut a deal with the Order IF Rhienland ends up starting to win that war. (We'll not consider you terrorists, but ... you're going to defend Alaska, and we can't help you out in Minor, so you're on your own out there.)
The net result is that probably the Core can take Minor away from the Order - BUT - at the same time, there are going to be increased Nomad raids into Liberty. The question then comes - which way do the Nomads go? Are they going to come back into Kappa and then Gamma? That is a strain on their economy that the Corsairs don't need.
I'd like to see a larger Dabadoru - it should be somewhat larger than it is now, and more able to defend itself. APM is working on that (or should be, anyway).
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
I know I'm a relative outsider to the Order/BHG war, but I think, from reading the posts here, that people are thinking of this conflict too much in the manner of a traditional war (and let it be known that I, by nature of my Outcast RP, want to see both groups burn in the fires of hell, for gross abuse of Nomads and, in the case of the latter, direct attacks on Outcast vessels territorial holdings). The BHG Core are a traditional fighting force - they've got big wads of big ships (even more than they have big wads of small ships, in many cases:lol:). The Order, while they certainly have their share of large ship designs, don't need to and shouldn't be fighting the Core head-on, except in the obvious direct defense. The problem for the Order is that the Core has near-endless resources. The solution is to take away those endless resources so that once a Mako blows up it doesn't come back - it becomes economically impossible for the Core to maintain their massive war fleets and they are forced to withdraw from the Omicrons under increasing pressure from the Corsairs and the smaller Order forces. I would posit that the Order can indeed make this kind of a move on the Core because they are, bluntly, proffessional spies. Destroying infrastructure from within is what they're good at, and if they turn their more limited resources to removing the Core's resources they'd be very successful, I feel.
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People ponder what is going to happen, what the outcome will be. They ask themselves and others what Order will do, what Core will do. Well now. What Nomads are going to do? Do you know... them? What kind of plans they have and what are they doing deep within their territories... What were they looking for and what have they found? Little hints, here and there, yet despite the actual presence, those hints right in the game, and not just some theories on papers mind you, a lot of people here seem to have... missed them? I find it interesting. Perhaps Core is even looking into a wrong direction for all the time. May be... Did you notice there are... strange places, inactive gates found around in what once thought to be empty systems. Where do they lead to? What kind of secrets do they hold? What if the Nomads are to get there first? Oh well. That remains to be seen, isn't it?
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