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Exsiled_one · 09-28-2009, 12:11 PM,

Let's say you are a Kruger transport, or ALG and you are currently transporting Diamonds to their destination. Huzzah, in comes an Red Hessian. Sounds are off, gates are shut down, and it's that "calm before the storm" moment.

What happens?
How do you look at the situation?
Do you see that Red Hessian as a pirate? Is he really a pirate?
Or he's a revolutionary, unhappy by being screwed for century from his government. After he managed to raise to the top by people revolution, the greedy power hungry corporations managed to bounce him down again and mark him as illegal. He loathes your corporation and your structure.

Do you comply with his orders? Do you know what have you gotten yourself into?

And what about you Hessian? Do you see the target as an "trader" or do you see him as the bastard that is actually stepping over blood of your fathers, the only great man you know, that fought with those like him, side to side capturing the enemy bases, raising his flags of revolution around entire New Berlin. The same people that endured the great Corsair invasion in omega 5 and that captured Cassablanca without getting it lost in a week. Is he actually to blame that he's transporting the diamonds, those diamonds that squeezed the life of your people when corporations - seeing they are going down financially, started to drain more and more money from the workers? Or is he another puppet on a string? Should you open his eyes by destroying his cargo, or have mercy and leave some cargo so he doesn't get fired at home.

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This thing could be applied to every government "terrorists" out there like Lane Hackers, Corsair pirates, Red Hessians, LWB, Outcasts and Farmer's alliance and others...
From roleplay style, I see no problem with blasting the hell out of his cargo pods, making sure that cargo does not reach it's destination, but I can see that pushing away the player from that route, and taking the lesser way out, that would actually cripple the corporate trading even more. And I love corporate trading.

If everyone pushed together towards enforcing this, maybe something would happen. But for now, I'm wondering will I be labeled as an a$$hole from that trader that I forced to destroy all of his Military Vehicles heading into Bretonnia.
Or that trader that I blew up when he refused to give me the cargo of engine components going to Bretonnia. The same Bretonnian that has shipyards that produce combat vehicles that will one day, with tons of luck shoot down one of my wingmates.
From Rp point, its all good. From fairplay, is it?
Maybe it wouldn't be if, once you lose your ship in combat, it actually blows up and you need to gather credits again. But it seems to me, that once you grind up those 2billions for the mega capital ship and equip it nicely, only things that make you grind for that ship again are rules you break and get sanctioned for.
So since that's a fact... It made me wonder what are your opinions about RP vs fairness and this is all a game factor.

I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*

looqas · (This post was last modified: 09-28-2009, 12:29 PM by looqas.)

Fairplay.

It really is a game after all. It depends on the RP situation though. If the said diamond hauler is good at his RP you can actually go for harder approach than getting the money/cargo out of him. One deciding factor is of course his/her attitude towards you. I tend to let RPers off the hook more lightly than those silent_sams.

Too many times it's just a waste of time to try to explain to the trader why we get a tad anxious catching him with a hold full of diamonds.

Flying under radar.

Exsiled_one · 09-28-2009, 12:32 PM,

This is true, and a good response really. If the trader "latches" one your rp, you should reward him for that honestly. I can see the situation of that said trader pleading you and telling you he has his issues, especially if he's an member of your nationality, you should have sympathies for him.

But if he comes back in another 15minutes with same story... That's just recycling it back to abuse.

I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*

**Barrier** · 09-28-2009, 12:50 PM,

' Wrote:This is true, and a good response really. If the trader "latches" one your rp, you should reward him for that honestly. I can see the situation of that said trader pleading you and telling you he has his issues, especially if he's an member of your nationality, you should have sympathies for him.

But if he comes back in another 15minutes with same story... That's just recycling it back to abuse.

As a trader myself, I don't mind getting my cargo destroyed when stopped because of RP. And again, if someone says "Oh, that's just you, that's not fair," there are other options besides coming back - switching trade routes, laying low (NOT logging into your RM cruiser and obliterating the Hessian), and bribing the Hessian with less money than your profit. RP in Freelancer is a character's life, and life is bound to be unfair sometimes.

reavengitair · 09-28-2009, 12:52 PM,

Fairplay is ALWAYS better than roleplay. No matter what the situation is. I stand by my word. ALWAYS. I personally hate people that disrupt the generally happy discovery (one of my dreams, a happy discovery). It gets on my nerves, but I think I have the patience to deal with them.

Come on people. Common sense... Can't you just skip that one time to make someone drop ALL their cargo for the sake of dropping all their cargo and then watching them shoot at it? Of course, do this to the lolwuts, yeah, whatever, but really...

Ayem · 09-28-2009, 12:54 PM,

' Wrote:This is true, and a good response really. If the trader "latches" one your rp, you should reward him for that honestly. I can see the situation of that said trader pleading you and telling you he has his issues, especially if he's an member of your nationality, you should have sympathies for him.

But if he comes back in another 15minutes with same story... That's just recycling it back to abuse.

Depends. My pirates are all a bit weird. Susa, on meeting a freighter captain, would always flirt outrageously and demand he find a better suit. She'd give him a million to help him buy it and suggest some nice places on, for example, New London (some wonderful bespoke suits there). Of course, the suit was just a reference to a larger ship, and they used to come back in a bigger ship and quite happily throw some money or goods (diamonds, gold etc.) at her afterwards. Of course, this was funded by ruthless piracy on transports!

On my ALG, if I was met by a Red Hessian... I'd probably just outrun him, and chat while doing so. If he managed to snare me completely though, I'd chat amicably, listen to his demands, attempt to weasel out of them or just pay up and stick around for the chat. I like to talk. ALG are also not on the "to be murdered at all costs" list of any Rheinland unlawful faction, which is nice.

Exsiled_one · 09-28-2009, 01:01 PM,

No, ofcourse they are not. But you should take that Hessian into account. Harming your cargo isn't harming the trader.
I always shy away from kills as well as a Corsair.
When they surrender the cargo, I usually take one third.
If they refuse, they die and they give me 3k cargo.

So i get more if they die. But I prefer doing it the rp way. Less blood on my soul. Point is that a "pirate" that pirates around isn't the same as Hessian meeting Kruger or Alg.
Thats why I ask. Happy discovery can be happy, but at one point we'll all be happy, and then someone will complain that we're too happy. then what?:D

I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*

**Barrier** · 09-28-2009, 01:06 PM,

' Wrote:Happy discovery can be happy, but at one point we'll all be happy, and then someone will complain that we're too happy. then what?:D

Then we will happily eat him.

@topic You should make this into a poll :)

Kyte_ · 09-28-2009, 01:15 PM,

Uber interesting post! I think from the responses, the view is mixed. But then it has always been subjective, hasn't it? I suppose I feel that it is this part of playing on Disco that makes it incredible for everyone. I mean the game is old, Microsoft doesn't even support it anymore. It has only been thru rp and mod development that has kept it very much alive. I think sometimes traders (myself included) forget that rp extends to us when accosted by pirates and that sometimes you will lose credits or cargo or both. Sometimes you may work it out and other times you may run and actually get away... it's this type of interaction that breaks up a normally boring quiet run to whereever with whatever load you are carrying. I may not enjoy being pirated or shot up, but then hey, that's life on the server yes?

I can't say what is fair... I can't say what is unfair. There are somethings that make sense to me, others that do not. But that's for a different thread.

IN the mean while... I'll see you in the black!

Love n' Lustre,

Kyte

Exsiled_one · 09-28-2009, 01:16 PM,

I would, but it can't be just black and white. When people hit that Vote button they think their work is done. I'ld actually like to see some more posts about this.

One of things I've run into (not here) but it was awesome topic.
Since we're already caught on the hessians here, lets continue with it.
I never rped a hessian but from entire wiki and all the stories, i understand their suffering greatly. and the sad thing they've involved into from that suffering and betrayal of their government.

Now lets say i want to rp that bitter hessian that's eating nothing but ideals for his entire lifetime while other corporation magnates enjoy the BadenBaden tourist facilites and whatnot, why should one trader cripple my rp?

Lets not get fooled people, noone is a "simple pilot" flying for a corporation. Noone hands you out a few hundred million worth of ship and says "go get em tiger". You train to be a transport pilot, you go to school for that, you apply for the job and you finally get it.
You know who's your average "joe"?
That guy that works in your cargo bay. Transporting all those goods when you hit "sell". He doesn't care either way, he just wants to live and get his paycheck.

So this guy said.. If I want to rp my Hessian to the fullest, who is one trader to stop me there?

I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*

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