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guitarguy · 11-29-2009, 09:15 PM,

Recently, I've been playing through Vanilla SP and I've noticed how the Order has connections in Kusari and Rhineland that made up a large part of the Order's RP. However, Disco doesn't reflect this.

Few, if any, Order ships are in Rhineland or Kusari, despite heavy Wilde presence in these houses. Instead, it seems that most Order are holed up in Minor and Delta, stuck between Liberty, Nomads, and BHG.

On top of that, Kusari and to some extent Rhineland need more RP. So I propose either a new faction or a division of the Order| be formed for one or both of these houses.

The faction would be composed of a small group of 5-15 members that would try to stop Wilde and Nomad infestation, and would be forced to work with or against house criminals or governments to do so. Here's a rough draft of what the group would look like for each house.

Rhineland

The Order's Rhineland operations are based on balancing neutrality with the RM and house unlawfuls, uniting them because of their mutual enemies, Wilde and Liberty. To avoid detection, unlawful bases are generally used by the Order pilots. The Order agent's standing orders are to hunt Nomads in the area, and to only attack Liberty ships if there's evidence that Nomads may have infested the vessel.

Kusari

Order operatives in Kusari use their previous alliance with the Blood Dragons to keep a close eye on Tekagi's Arch from the Dragon base in the system. This puts them at odds with the anti-foreigner Kusari lawfuls, so the Order's pilots generally avoid them when possible. The Order takes no interest in the ongoing Tau war, prefering to operate in Kusari house space against Wilde.

Obviously there's alot to add and change. Comments are welcome. Also, would anyone be interested in joining such a group? (No Order caps as of now, maybe a recon carrier for a mobile base later on.)

EDIT: I think I'm spelling Rhineland wrong.

Barricade · 11-29-2009, 09:23 PM,

this would be really difficult to realize.
do you participate with at least one char at the order ?
though i think that the order actually has enought tasks to fulfill in minor and the omicrons around it and since i saw the last post which appeared in the forum concerning the order, it wouldnt be wise, when on lets them expand into kusari or rheinland.

in the future a good idea though.

Belco · 11-29-2009, 11:30 PM,

i've seen them out and about in house space, good dudes, not lolwutting BS's.
they do a good job at RP-ing when they're out though and are generally impossible to find unless they want you to find them, they're a pretty secret organization after all.

honestly, i'd rather have more navy and police on taking care of nomads and unlawfulls, leaving the order as that brief sensor contact 15k out that leaves you "wut?"-ing.

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sovereign · 11-29-2009, 11:32 PM,

First, you are correct in thinking you are spelling Rheinland incorrectly.

Secondly, there have been Order agents periodically dispatched to these areas, but they usually act alone to avoid drawing attention- an example would be Order|Reavengitair's work in the Omegas (he was deployed there for quite some time, we got to know him very well), and an exception to the "alone and discrete" would be Operation Cataphoria. It does happen, just not all the time. If more agents were to be sent out, they should remember to tread lightly and avoid offending people... they should not engage in battles between human forces (mainly by not aiding the Hogosha or Corsairs, both of which would cut off the best access points to Rockhome and Heaven's Gate), and remember that they are guests. One Order agent I remember tried to order around the RM. Bad idea.

As someone heavily involved in these things, by all means send more people after us. We enjoy talking to you, so long as you come with an open mind and not just to pew pew aliens. For one thing you'll likely get wtfpwned (Reavengitair has a good respect for the Scorpion after his time with us) and for another we really do enjoy talking to people who talk back rather than just spitting party lines (aliens evil, humans good, we will free you, etc...) over and over.

-Hektor Schneider of Das Wilde

Jeremy Hunter · 11-30-2009, 12:30 AM,

good points.

The Order is trapped. Until recently I went to NY but now cant due to faction stuf.

We are restricted alot and I agree we should have one or two groups dedicated to either house.

And as for Bretonia, Iv only had to deal with something there once.

Thats my 2 cents.

Oh, and for whren I head to NY, im impossible to find unless I show my self. We are the best at Black ops.

Hunter Out.

May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

Tenacity · 11-30-2009, 12:49 AM,

We have a hard time going anywhere due to hostilities related to our corsair allegiance. This is a topic of discussion among order high command, lately - should we cancel our allegiance with the corsairs in order to find allies elsewhere, in particular groups like the blood dragons and bundschuh?

There are semi-good relations between the order and rheinland lawfuls, but not enough so that we're really welcome there, especially not with any of our larger craft.

Personally, I dont see what we really gain from being allies of the corsairs - they rarely assist us, they constantly 'steal' ships that we've denied them, they are not open to the idea of co-use of weaponry (order using corsair weapons and vice versa), and our allegiance with them makes us enemies with a lot of factions we could benefit from allying with.

The Corsairs also drag us into the outcast-corsair war, which we really want no part in. Similarly, being allied with the hogosha makes absolutely no sense - the kusari government doesnt really want us around despite those ties, and the hogosha offer us nothing; they wont even let us use their fighter when it's requested. Blood dragons, IMO, would be a far more beneficial ally - having a light fighter we could greatly benefit from, as well as a base and heavy presence in tohoku where tekagi's arch is. They also helped us greatly during the nomad war and, IMO, are far more honorable and trustworthy than even the kusari lawfuls.

Through the blood dragons, we could easily establish under-the-table deals with the Gas Miner's Guild in order to procure more resources for our own ships, and we would have access to the sigmas and through them to rheinland space where the wilde are most concentrated.

Within Rheinland, the bundschuh are our traditional allies according to the campaign. They dont really have much to offer in terms of ships/weaponry or assistance, however, but they do have bases within rheinland we could use for resupply, and through their political party we could gain some amount of control within the rheinland government in order to monitor and seek out infected individuals.

We also need to find allies within bretonia to monitor the bases in newcastle and chester. Which faction that should be, I'm not sure...

reavengitair · 11-30-2009, 12:58 AM,

Reguarding Blood Dragon and The Order's relations, the Blood Dragons no longer hold any interest in a fully fledged alliance, however the threats that have been unfolding in the Tohoku systems have not gone unnoticed. We would probably come to some agreement or treaty concerning these systems. After all, according to the infocard, the Order still have agents on Ryuku base (which is pretty much the Blood Dragon's half-dead outpost). Things could probably be arranged with Sendai too. However, don't be expecting to be too friendly - alliances with the Hogosha and Corsairs is pretty trecherous - considering that we were pretty much born from being betrayed.

11-30-2009, 01:05 AM,

An alliance with the Blood Dragons would make sense, since in the SP campaign whats his face (not orillion, the blood dragon you meet, Not ozu. Lord Hakkera, that one) Is a blood dragon with order links, not to mention they let the order use their base (ryuku) in Tohoku.

Tenacity · 11-30-2009, 01:51 AM,

' Wrote:Reguarding Blood Dragon and The Order's relations, the Blood Dragons no longer hold any interest in a fully fledged alliance, however the threats that have been unfolding in the Tohoku systems have not gone unnoticed. We would probably come to some agreement or treaty concerning these systems. After all, according to the infocard, the Order still have agents on Ryuku base (which is pretty much the Blood Dragon's half-dead outpost). Things could probably be arranged with Sendai too. However, don't be expecting to be too friendly - alliances with the Hogosha and Corsairs is pretty trecherous - considering that we were pretty much born from being betrayed.

that's why the question of removing our alliance with the corsairs and hogosha is being discussed.

guitarguy · 11-30-2009, 11:51 PM,

Tenacity is correct in that the Order needs to distance itself from the Corsairs. Losing the alliance would give us a better chance with Rheinland and especially Kusari.

@roly: Being completely secretive basically shuts the door to interaction between factions. Obviously, Order wouldn't use trade lanes or jump gates, but would use unlawful methods of getting around. (Clouds, jump holes, ect.)

Would anyone like to try this ingame?

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