All types of guns for all types of factions

[Guest]

We have had many threads concerning the faction's ability to fight other factions with the shield vs gun type in mind. Many faction players are forced to use other faction guns because the lack of guns of their own with which they are more likely to be better in combat with. Like the Rogues used to have krakens and wyrms on their bombers and the Order used Corsair shieldbusters and Salamancas.

Why not give the factions all the weapon types, tachyon, particle, laser, pulse, plsama and so on.

It would solve problems like people complaining, that the guns they are forced to use in rp are not efficient against the enemy or that they are not used to, say, 8.00 guns, but would rather use 4.00s or 2.00s.

We could let the factions keep their "best" guns, like the Rogues having the best lasers in the game, the Outcasts having the best particle cannons and the Corsairs having the best neutron cannons.

Currently only house militaries have a 8.00 guns (LN vengeances for example) and 2.00s (LN magma hammers for example)

But the weapon technology never stays still, it would allow the faction techs to modify and build their own guns.

Would allow, say, rogues to not use lasers against grav shields, same for GMG and civilians and their flashpoints.

What would you say about such a suggestion?

[Shagohad]

Would be a lot more helpful. I hate the lack of shield-busters for factions like the Order and Rogues. They seem to have one set of gun that is just improved as its mounting level increases. Instead of rank-based guns, let's have this balance of specialized guns.

You have my support on this one.

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[sovereign]

I don't think everyone needs their own shieldbuster. Although giving every faction at least two gun types might be an idea... it would give them at least some diversity while still keeping differences from faction to faction. Every gun type is not necessary, and would get very convoluted (and lead to a lot of "my laser is worse than their laser!" threads). But giving every faction a second gun seems like a quaint idea. For 4.86.

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[Guest]

Well, no, not every shield type ofcourse, we got debs and if you'd give every faction their own shieldbuste, they'd ask for a mini of their own, a SN of their own and so on.

But give each one a

2.00

4.00

8.00

and it will be fine.

[reavengitair]

Hmm,

I would rather that some be used as House Civilian, therefore everyone in that house can use it.

I'm definitely for house shieldbusters..

[Guest]

I don't see a reason why should we have house specific shieldbusters as the debs work fine enough and they are easy to find. Unless, ofcourse, you mean different refire/proj speed types of debs apart from the 700ms and the 600ms one.

[mjolnir]

- would destroy character/diversity of factions for me

- ship balance now takes into account guns that are used on those ships, say Chimaera with 700 m/s particle guns would suddenly be much better

- the guns themselves would either take forever to balance with constant "their gun is better than ours" complains or would have to be 99% the same => destroys diversity even more

- ~70% of those guns would never be used

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[Bear]

- ~70% of those guns would never be used

well why don't we just make the guns everyone uses? It would cut out the middle man and save space. Just have low level guns for starting players (sold in Penn) and high level guns (eights and above). It would save alot of time wading through useless guns trying to find out the best ones that we can use. Let's face it, nobody is going to use the middle guns because when they save up to join a faction the npc's that they have to kill (generally) are harder then what the middle guns can defeat. Just thought I'd pitch in something.

Yes, Sindroms I entirely agree with your idea, it would save those sanction reports about mis-matched load-outs.

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[Guest]

Well then, don't make them 700ms. People look for shield damage and refire rate rather than speed. And you can always ignore them anyways.

But i'd agree that many of them might not be used MAYBE but at the least, give each faction atleast two guns with different refirerate for those lfs and razorwhores.

[Edmund.BlackAdder]

I don't think that everybody can use any weapon. This is a RP-server
therefore faction members should use their faction weapons. It's not
really "realistic" to see an outcast (outcast ID) using corsair or BH-weapons
or a mixture of weapons. This counts for any house faction. Only independant
players like freelancer, mercenarys, independant miners and traders should
have their free choice, because they're the ones who travel across Sirius and
work for themselves or real different parties (IF they have a good RP-explanation
for using different weapons). Of course I understand that most players want to use
the Tizona cause it's the best shieldbuster, but is anybody here, who really thinks
that (for example) a KNF-fighter or a UC-member would use that? No way, this
imagination is ridiculous.

Let's save the RP on our server.
You wanna be in LSF and use Tizona and Kraken - just choose another server
(that's an example too, I don't want to offend LSF-members, I meant that in a
general way).

By the way: I think what I've said about weapons counts in the same way for
the vessels. Each faction should only use their own or some general/civilian
vessels - it's ridiculous to see (for example) a hessian in a Gladiator.