Scamming in the ship sale?

[Dwarf]

I know we aren't allowed to sell a ship that doesn't exist to gain lots of cash and run away. However in the word 'Scamming' I feel it has many different ways of translating it. For example.

1) Auction ship hosts will put a fighter on sale for a minimum 10,000,000 credits and then someone bids that price publicly. He then realizes the fighter is actually worth a lot more than 10,000,000 so he edits the original post and reply to the first bidder with 'Sorry the minimum is 20,000,000 not 10,000,000 so I don't accept your bid."

This is scamming in my eyes and we should begin to deal with the auction hosts who commit this crime in the same way a false ship seller would be. Also:

2) Auction ship hosts will put a fighter on sale for 10,000,000 credits and then someone bids that price publicly. He then realizes the fighter is actually worth a lot more than 10,000,000 so he reply's and says 'A private bidder has put an offer of 20,000,000" When really there is no private buyer and he is technically 'scamming' the bidder in him/her trying to up their bid to outbid the 'private buyer' Again, the admins/moderators should make a new for the ship sales were that as bidders but make there bids Public. Unless the private bidder is offering the buy-out.

Thoughts?

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[RmJ]

It would be hard to detect legit fraud, but yes. I would be very psst if I see this happening.

Just don't rebid then.

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[Alex.]

To be honest, I think things should only be marked as scams in a situation where money has been paid and no ship arrived OR the seller has lied about something like the equipment, ship, etc.

[RmJ]

To be honest, I think things should only be marked as scams in a situation where money has been paid and no ship arrived OR the seller has lied about something like the equipment, ship, etc.

That has happened to me rather alot actually. *Thinks,* nah I don't want to waste the time.

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[Birdtalon]

It's the sellers choice. There are no rules dictating that once it's on paper it's set in stone.

It isn't a scam unless someone has sent money and not recieved the promised item.

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[Miixxu]

It's the sellers choice. There are no rules dictating that once it's on paper it's set in stone.

It isn't a scam unless someone has sent money and not recieved the promised item.

This is how I feel, I'd be mad and feel cheated. I wouldn't feel like I was scammed though.

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[Canadianguy]

If the guy change prices and that your offer is not large enough anymore, you got two choices:
A: You dont put a new offer.
B: You offer the amount required.

And the private bidder thing, well, if he decides to do that, just dont buy his ship plain simple.

Personnaly, I think private offers should only be made if you are paying the buyout price.

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[Malexa]

The seller of a ship is the current owner of it.

If he decides to sell a Roc for 10 millions, he can do so.
If he realizes it is worth 30 millions, he can say "sorry lad, not going to happen. I raised my minimum bid to 30millions"

He can ask for 200million for his roc too.

Also he can reject the 200 millions in the verry last moment and say "sorry, auction closed I want to keep it"


Up to the seller.


If credits have been transferred after the deal was made, then the seller has to hand over the ship.
That would be scam, if he would not hand over the hardware.


Before someone asks:

If you send the seller 200million credits, before he wrote "sold to x" it is your fault, since you can not claim his ship.
Otherwise I'll go and send the next auction guy the initial bid of his LABC and claim his ship.
Scam can work in two directions.

To be safe screenshot the credit transfer you made with a timestamp and also post in the auction topic that you actually accepted the terms when the seller wrote down "sold to x".

Malexa

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