As many would know, Fort Leniex is a Lane Hacker affiliated base within a system owned by the Hellfire Legion - and is rather difficult to locate as it is not marked by a base marker in game, and is in fact, located several tens of thousands of kilometers from the plane (21k above the plane from the top left hand corner of G4 to be exact). Also, the base resides in a cloud which makes scanners ineffectual.
Given the difficult nature of the location of Fort Leniex, additional information is required to find said base - the same information which the Hellfire Legion and its associates continue to remove for the sake of "it's ours in the game, so it's ours on the wiki and we can do with both of them as we wish."
I submit to you that the wiki is an impartial repository of fact, prioritizing truth above the convenience of the subjects of the articles in question - that the wiki is the property of the Discovery Mod as a whole rather than the ones that the articles address.
Don't get me wrong... the deliberate deletion of true and useful information both critical and relevant to an article IS falsification and is a blight on the integrity of the wiki as a reference of all things Discovery Mod related.
The Hellfire Legion attempts to justify its efforts to repeatedly lie on the wiki by contending that since Fort Leniex is not part of "public knowledge," it is detrimental to the RP experience to have its location available. (See http://discoveryfl.com/wiki/index.php?ti...ort_Leniex for details) This is ridiculous for several reasons:
A) The Wiki is OORP - any knowledge gained in the wiki is given as an impartial and complete (or as complete as possible) guide for the discovery mod as a game.
B) The information that had been listed as "detrimental to RP" has been hidden under a spoiler tag.
C) Station specs including the presence of artificial gravity, docking capability, amenities, population size, commodity imports and exports, and station class are all listed for all to see - without any sort of protest on the side of the Hellfire Legion - though clearly, this is way more RP insight into the station than the mere location.
D) Weapons, commodities, and ships that can be purchased on station are listed in the relevant articles regarding each respective item.
Clearly, if the location of Fort Leniex is inappropriate for the wiki article on Fort Leniex, then none of the information on or regarding Fort Leniex is.
At first glance, the faction right to lie on any article regarding faction property in game is ludicrous - however if allowed, it sets a very dangerous precedent. If factions do indeed irrevocably own the wiki articles on subjects regarding their in-game holdings to manipulate and corrupt as they see fit, it invites much in the way of further acts of vandalism on the wiki - who's to say that certain ship builds are too "secret" to be documented on the wiki? Who's to say that a certain faction will remove potentially inconvenient information regarding other base locations and weapon statistics? The knowledge into the Nomads, the AI, the Phantoms, and other shadowy factions are obviously not matters of in game public knowledge - should those be removed as well? Hopefully not, as those pages are quite well written and enrich the game as a whole with a new depth of story.
As said before, the wiki is clearly not meant to be inRP (that would explain how one can get such extensive information on what can be bought or sold on even the most secret of stations) - and is meant to be a guide to the mod, not some bowdlerized, lobotomized version of a faction's tour brochure.
Oh, and in the case that lying prevails over the integrity of truth on the wiki...
The Location of Fort Leniex in the Vespucci system is 21 kilometers above the plane in the top left corner of G4.
For those that would use other keywords in the future to search for said location for said base...
Location Fort Leniex Vespucci 21k above top left corner of G4
EDIT: Correction : Fort Leniex in Vespucci is 20.622k above the top left corner of G4 (thanks Alex.)
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Hmm. I've looked at the .inis and I've found that it's actually located 20.622K above the plane. You weren't too far off:P. I've fixed that now.
Hm...
I agree that they should not be allowed to falsify the information.
May I suggest setting it to the correct, then protecting the page from being edited by anyone except ShakeBot and the wiki admins being able to edit it?
' Wrote:Hmm. I've looked at the .inis and I've found that it's actually located 20.622K above the plane. You weren't too far off:P. I've fixed that now.
Hm...
I agree that they should not be allowed to falsify the information.
May I suggest setting it to the correct, then protecting the page from being edited by anyone except ShakeBot and the wiki admins being able to edit it?
The base was specifically moved in 4.85 and made hidden (doesnt show up on maps) to prevent other players from finding it. The base is there for hellfire personnel only, and they dont want it found. I have no problem with them 'falsifying information' in order to keep it hidden.
There's far worse info on the discovery wiki right now =/
' Wrote:Tell me, do you work for a marketing/lawyer/slander firm?
In other words, please Q_Q elsewhere.
Nope - I'm just another socially maladjusted college freshman, soon to be doomed to a life of handling chemicals in some dank lab a nameless, insignificant lab technician.
I'd put my Q_Q in flood, but I found it more relevant to to wiki.
' Wrote:The base was specifically moved in 4.85 and made hidden (doesnt show up on maps) to prevent other players from finding it. The base is there for hellfire personnel only, and they dont want it found. I have no problem with them 'falsifying information' in order to keep it hidden.
There's far worse info on the discovery wiki right now =/
The base was moved in game and inRP - there is no justification to falsify information on a repository meant to hold true and relevant facts :/
No faction has any responsibility to keep their info on the wiki up to date. No member has any responsibility to keep the info up to date. If the Hellfire Legion wishes to keep the location of Fort Lenix a secret and off the Wiki, I see no problems.
The Wiki is an off-site resource. The Discovery Gaming Community Forums are the primary source of information regarding this mod. Anything else is completely voluntary and information should be able to be kept from the Wiki. Vespucci is the property of the Hellfire Legion, and they may do with it what they will, in RP and OoRP.
On the other hand, though, it has to be established for whom the Wiki is created. If it is created for our server and our use, then the Hellfire Legion should be able to restrict the knowledge. If it is created for the entirety of the Discovery playerbase, then it comes into the same questions as hardcoding Discoverygc server factions into the mod.
What should really be done is the Wiki administrators need to sit down amongst each other and talk about all of these kinds of possible situations (this is not the only "secret base") and then the Wiki Administrators should talk to these people who own the base to come up to a possible compromise regarding the base's location. A Wiki is public property, afterall, and if a compromise isn't found, anyone can just edit the page and the constant edit-fights won't cease between two hard-line opinions.
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