If the Admins had actually completed their official faction warnings for activity and removed the official status of any inactive, then the RFP would have been booted a while ago and I wouldn't've had to make this thread, saving me a few extra joules of energy.
But no, the official faction activity warning that we desperately needed just disappeared. I'm going to save some trouble and an extremely slow and painful death (I use the word "extremely" because the RFP has been suffering a slow death for months, but no point in dragging it out long enough to be described as extremely slow) for this player faction by saying we request our official status be removed.
I don't even play Disco any more, and I see no point in "passing on the mantle", so consider us gone. If for some reason somebody actually wants to lead the faction, then you can talk to me over PMs. You basically start over again without having to pay the 500 millions. But it'd probably be people wanting to be the leader of the faction for the sake of leading a faction.
No, I change my mind about that. Why I don't just backspace it all is because I want you to see me deliberating about it. The RFP dies now.
Thanks for reading.
[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.
' Wrote:Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.
Understandable. Most police factions are pointless since the Navies are more popular.
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It's naive of me to say this but I have heard several planned changes to enhance the attraction of police factions in the next mod...
Yeah, I know... but still, let's hope no other police factions would come to the same fate, it's true that the RM has been pretty much doing everything the RFP should have, but it was mainly due to the huge activity gap between the two organizations.
Talking out of personal experience (BPA), the role play and the issues of concern can be largely different between the military and the police force, if you actually take your time with developing it and generate interest, hopefully in cooperation with the military.
I'm saying that Putzkanner committed suicide, and after that the "primary" fleet just collapsed and was absorbed into the normal Police.. Of course this isn't going to affect the NPC faction. Unfortunately.
Of course the leaders of Rheinland can change what happened to the "primary" fleet, but Putzkanner has committed suicide and nothing is changing that.
' Wrote:Understandable. Most police factions are pointless since the Navies are more popular.
Exactly. Police factions need to be removed entirely or buffed with a Navy nerf.
' Wrote:It's naive of me to say this but I have heard several planned changes to enhance the attraction of police factions in the next mod...
Yeah, I know... but still, let's hope no other police factions would come to the same fate, it's true that the RM has been pretty much doing everything the RFP should have, but it was mainly due to the huge activity gap between the two organizations.
Talking out of personal experience (BPA), the role play and the issues of concern can be largely different between the military and the police force, if you actually take your time with developing it and generate interest, hopefully in cooperation with the military.
There is such as large activity gap because the Military does do - or rather did do - our jobs. And to be honest, it is just tiring and pointless, because the members of the RFP just do not get involved with the forum RP that we do. That's why I never tried that 80 Year War investigation, because it wouldn't be an RFP RP story: it'd just be me. And the fact that I'm writing an investigation would never attract any new members.
I just have neither the time nor patience. I do not believe Police and Navy factions can coexist in most Houses in their current form. Liberty only has an active Police faction as well as Navy faction because of the massive player base there.
And I don't see why we need to cooperate with the Military, however for it to work we would need to as they are so powerful. We shouldn't need to rely on another faction giving us things to do to survive. We're the Police, not Bounty Hunters.
[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.
' Wrote:Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.
' Wrote:Exactly. Police factions need to be removed entirely or buffed with a Navy nerf.
I understand it can be quite troublesome if every pirate is using a VHF and you're only allowed to fly the game's worst LF, the Phantom to counter ships like the Odin.
So it's more like the outlaw organizations that should be nerfed and issued for the police to be fully concerned with while the militaries should be shooting each other full time.
Disco is supposedly not all about pvp though, as I said my experience with BPA has been almost entirely of exquisite role play, even if I didn't actually kill anyone during my stay, it left an entirely good memory.
Yes you are right, from a pure Role-Playing standpoint you can say that the Navy/Military aren't supposed to do the job which is entitled to the police. But what happens when the Police ain't online? Are we supposed to ignore that trader calling for help or those pirates sitting at the trade-lane for the sake of keeping in Role-Play? In return you can expect what the reactions will be from civilians, in our respective feedback threads.
' Wrote:There is such as large activity gap because the Military does do - or rather did do - our jobs. And to be honest, it is just tiring and pointless, because the members of the RFP just do not get involved with the forum RP that we do. That's why I never tried that 80 Year War investigation, because it wouldn't be an RFP RP story: it'd just be me. And the fact that I'm writing an investigation would never attract any new members.
Sure we did your jobs since someone had to. If you aren't online, how are we supposed to let you concern yourself with with a certain task? You don't get involved with the forum RP? Remember all the dramastorms that have been lately, in which the RFP did get involved, it was not the RM who took it as useless interference from your side without you having an in-game manifestation to back up what you said.
Don't try to blame it on the military, man. I do feel we did everything we could to help you out.
' Wrote:And I don't see why we need to cooperate with the Military,
You also answered that for yourself:
' Wrote:I do not believe Police and Navy factions can coexist in most Houses in their current form.
EDIT: Yeah, most of what I said was ninja'd by Sina.
' Wrote:Yes you are right, from a pure Role-Playing standpoint you can say that the Navy/Military aren't supposed to do the job which is entitled to the police. But what happens when the Police ain't online? Are we supposed to ignore that trader calling for help or those pirates sitting at the trade-lane for the sake of keeping in Role-Play? In return you can expect what the reactions will be from civilians, in our respective feedback threads.
We're weren't online because we didn't have any members to be online with because you did our jobs. But you did our jobs because we weren't online. And we weren't getting members because the Navy/Military factions of Disco have it written into the IDs themselves that they can do everything the Police can do and more. So we weren't online because we didn't have any members to be online with because you did our jobs. But you did our jobs because we weren't online. See the paradox?
If you see a trader in distress and want to help them, switch to your Police character, because they're supposed to be the people protecting the civilians inside Rheinland space from the local, small threats. But if you don't have one, then you would have to use your Military character because you can't just ignore the trader.
It would take many months of hard work and recruitment on both sides to sort out a system where the Police and Military do not have to do each others jobs due to a lack of activity, which I do not believe is currently possible.
' Wrote:Sure we did your jobs since someone had to. If you aren't online, how are we supposed to let you concern yourself with with a certain task? You don't get involved with the forum RP? Remember all the dramastorms that have been lately, in which the RFP did get involved, it was not the RM who took it as useless interference from your side without you having an in-game manifestation to back up what you said.
Did you notice how I was the only person who did any of that? And anybody who would have been interested in joining the RFP at that point would have been in it for the new-found pew-pew with the WRF.
Quote:Don't try to blame it on the military, man. I do feel we did everything we could to help you out.
I am not attempting to blame the Military. I just made this thread to announce our disillusion. If anything I put blame on the Admins in the first post for removing that official status activity warning which we desperately needed to remove some inactive factions. But the Admins are good guys, so I wish not to discuss this further.
This thread was just an announcement. Not a discussion.
[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.
' Wrote:Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.
But yes, I see the problem, I acknowledge it. But it's not the Military/Navy factions fault. It's a design flaw. Asking us however to swap to our Police characters just to deal with trivial problems such as defeating Pirates near a trade-lane is not only impractical but pretty frustrating for the players who are in these factions.
If you can't see this, then you are really blaming us Military/Navy members on the inactivity of your Faction.
