The future of the Aoi Iseijin

[Akura]

So for the past few months, I've been pacing about, trying to work out if the Iseijin are going to be worth being around in 4.86, to be honest, I've spent a year trying to fix problems with this faction, just to realise that the problems were part of the faction's charm.

And just like the Keepers, none of the current Iseijin are the same folks from the founding of the faction (CEPT JIHAD JOE, CO-FOUNDER), the whole faction went from Exile's view of the Iseijin, to my own, and I'm not sure if this is really the best thing in all.

So I decided that maybe talking to the diamond in the rough shores of Disco might help me, I went and asked Cannon what he thought, if he could help me. And he did, he suggested that I let the community have their say, that the biggest problems that you have with factions like the Iseijin are that so much is done behind closed doors, without any kind of public say on the matter.


So here is my plan, out in the open. Helps if you know about the current Iseijin beforehand.

Kusari goes to war with Gallia, leaving the homefront weak and less defended, already weakened from a war that has raged on for years. The Aoi Iseijin are ready to make their move, both with politics, ready to take the throne with a Nomad-controlled emperor, and with the sheer force of the infected fleet.

Instead, they retreat into darkness, never executing a plan that has been in the works for two decades. The Kishiro-supported Emperor comes to power, changing Kusari, and with it, the Kempeitai release a shocking report, condemning the Hanta-Iseijin division of the Kusari Naval Forces. Their support and funding is cut, and they are declared rogue, Kusari still being unaware of their Nomad control.

The Aoi Iseijin seemingly pull away from the Nomads too, breaking off, and it is believed that they no longer dictate their movements for the Nomad Agenda. The Remnants of Tekagi are seen less and less in the Edge Worlds, and the Order begin to question their sudden lack of activity.

Amy Masako, former Siren of the Aoi Iseijin rises to lead the remnants of the faction, refusing to roll over and die. To the surprise of the Blood Dragons and the Golden Chrysanthemums, she offers to return the formerly infected GC and BD pilots, along with their ships, as a show of good faith, requesting dipomacy.

At this point, the Dragons and Chrysanthemums can either accept the request for diplomacy, and meet with the Iseijin, or they can refuse it, and earn another enemy next door.

The Iseijin's desire is to survive, and with the current Kusari government wishing to wipe them out, they have no choice but to reach out to the Kusari Unlawfuls. Supporting the BD and GC means that the Iseijin would have a stable alliance and shot at survival, and if the Kusari Unlawfuls agree to accept the Iseijin, they would gain a powerful ally.

As they are no longer directly under the Nomads control (but secretly working for the Nomads still perhaps? That much is not known:D), the Iseijin's structure has changed vastly.

The Iseijin are run by a small infected portion of the faction, a total 5% or so of the whole population. The remainder of the Iseijin are former KNF pilots who cannot return to Kusari, in fear of being killed, probed or imprisoned.
The infected portion make up the high command of the faction, with Masako as the leader, they are different to the Das Wilde and former Iseijin though. While the incubus remains inside them, disconnected from the Mindshare, they are weaker, and are unable to reproduce, a major problem considering they sacraficed a large number of them to return the unwillingly infected pilots home.
Nowadays, they only infect pilots willingly, allowing the incubus and the host to live a symbiotic relationship.

Without their own ship designs, the Iseijin still replicate the ships of the Kusari Naval Forces, as they've had more than twenty years to learn how to build them. The knowledge of the Nomads isn't completely lost however, and the Iseijin are able to build Nomad hybrid technology, similar to the Nomad guns the Order produce.


Required for this future, is a new NPC faction for the Wild ships and base in Tohoku, which has a 2.0 version submitted by myself for 4.86, and a new ID, so we can give the Das Wilde their ID back.
This new ID would allow diplomacy with our neighbours, and a less-terrorist ID.

We'd have one ID, allowing KNF Tech as our main fighting force, potentially white celled to the GC, GMG and BD, with whom we'd do our own diplomacy and work out our future, depending on their decisions. Nomad/Wild tech would be green, but a regulation would be in place similar to the Order's permissons for Nomad Tech, allowing a few of the trusted and high-ranking ships to have a couple of Nomad Hybrid Guns.

The command structure would be myself as Amy Masako, leader of the Iseijin, a small ring of trusted and infected characters, making up her high command, and the foot soldiers of the Iseijin. While we would still be without indies, the faction recruitment would be indiscriminately open to anyone interested.

The Aoi Iseijin would cease to be a completely restricted terrorist faction, and would become a third Kusari Unlawful faction, with an ID like the Blood Dragons, allowing piracy and combat with hostile factions.


I'm looking for honest opinions, suggestions and thoughts.

Any questions?

[Jihadjoe]

And just like the Keepers, none of the current Iseijin are the same folks from the founding of the faction, the whole faction went from Exile's view of the Iseijin, to my own, and I'm not sure if this is really the best thing in all.

Correction Dave. I'm still a member of your faction (albeit inactive as hell). I was one of the people who formed it with Mike.

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[Akura]

Correction Dave. I'm still a member of your faction (albeit inactive as hell). I was one of the people who formed it with Mike.

I was hoping you wouldn't notice... :(

[Vladimir]

The Aoi Iseijin seemingly pull away from the Nomads too, breaking off, and it is believed that they no longer dictate their movements for the Nomad Agenda. The Remnants of Tekagi are seen less and less in the Edge Worlds, and the Order begin to question their sudden lack of activity.

Amy Masako, former Siren of the Aoi Iseijin rises to lead the remnants of the faction, refusing to roll over and die. To the surprise of the Blood Dragons and the Golden Chrysanthemums, she offers to return the formerly infected GC and BD pilots, along with their ships, as a show of good faith, requesting dipomacy.

So yeah, it can be summed up as

The Aoi Iseijin would cease to be a completely restricted terrorist faction, and would become a third Kusari Unlawful faction

Which is really, really boring.

If you want more people, create a sub-division of faction for recruits, who will think they fly for just another part of KNF and know nothing about infestation, while slowly being prepared for infecting/purging themselves. Thus, those who are ok will be infected and taken into main faction, those who are not die.

Turning Kusari Wilds faction into just usual unlawfuls would be very disappointing.

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[Petitioner]

...I really like this idea on the whole, actually, but I have a few questions. Do the Blood Dragons already know about the Iseijin being infected? If not, how would they "un-infect" the pilots they return to them, why would the Kusari unlawfuls trust them being as they're former Naval Forces who apparently can sway even the strongest-willed Dragon warriors to their side? It could all be just another plot, right?

Or, if they do know that the Iseijin are actually nomad-infected humans, why is it even remotely reasonable that they would ally with them? Of course they'd have another powerful enemy, but from whom would the Iseijin get their supplies? Would they still base solely out of Tekagi's Arch? Why wouldn't the KNF simply send a few battleships to destroy the arch, the long-time headquarters of the Hanta Iseijin, and be rid of a dangerous rogue group? (Please forgive me if the KNF proper doesn't actually know of the arch, though that seems a bit of a stretch to me, considering the forces that were allocated to it in that single vanilla battle alone. I'm not so well-versed in Kusari history.)

This is just what I can think of right off. But if you can think of good answers to these, I'd support this idea thoroughly.

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[Akura]

So yeah, it can be summed up as
Which is really, really boring.

I suppose.

If you want more people, create a sub-division of faction for recruits, who will think they fly for just another part of KNF and know nothing about infestation, while slowly being prepared for infecting/purging themselves. Thus, those who are ok will be infected and taken into main faction, those who are not die.

We've been doing this, and it turns out, it's really, really boring. And has practically killed our activity.

Turning Kusari Wilds faction into just usual unlawfuls would be very disappointing.

I know, but with the current Wild ID being repped hostile to everything, we're forced to shoot at everything, which people apparently don't like. And Disco is bias against the Nomads, so no one is really willing to do diplomacy with them, even though their plan isn't genocide.

Thanks for your opinion, this is the kind of feedback I need.

...I really like this idea on the whole, actually, but I have a few questions. Do the Blood Dragons already know about the Iseijin being infected? If not, how would they "un-infect" the pilots they return to them, why would the Kusari unlawfuls trust them being as they're former Naval Forces who apparently can sway even the strongest-willed Dragon warriors to their side? It could all be just another plot, right?

The Blood Dragons know there is an infected force in the Omicrons, of former members of Tekagi's Guard, they just don't know the Hanta-Iseijin and the personel on the Arch are infected, they believe them to be KNF.

The pilots returned would be uninfected, unbrainwashed and as they were before the Iseijin snatched them up. It would be up to the Dragons and GC how they wish to accept the pilots returned to them. Of course, the truth would be revealed too. The Iseijin want the Dragons to know they have nothing to hide, and that they mean no harm.

Or, if they do know that the Iseijin are actually nomad-infected humans, why is it even remotely reasonable that they would ally with them? Of course they'd have another powerful enemy, but from whom would the Iseijin get their supplies? Would they still base solely out of Tekagi's Arch? Why wouldn't the KNF simply send a few battleships to destroy the arch, the long-time headquarters of the Hanta Iseijin, and be rid of a dangerous rogue group? (Please forgive me if the KNF proper doesn't actually know of the arch, though that seems a bit of a stretch to me, considering the forces that were allocated to it in that single vanilla battle alone. I'm not so well-versed in Kusari history.)

The Arch is probably the most secure facility in Sirius, it's a fortress, with it's own rather large army and defensive fleet. The Arch has been developing it's defences over the last two decades too, ready to fight off the Blood Dragons, Chrysanthemums and Order, all at once.

The already weakened Kusari Fleet would sacrafice a lot to rush up to Tohoku, they'd have to pass the BD and GC, and risk the Iseijin's force wiping them out. Kusari is just too weak to do anything about it.

The KNF know it's there, they just don't have the forces to take it out after fighting one war for half a decade, and losing one to Gallia right after.

The Iseijin still have enough of a population and supplies to fight off the BD, GC and Order still, if required, and surivive a relatively long time. The piracy is for supplies, they pirate to get what they need to survive.

[Jeremy Hunter]

My opinion.

If you can make this work, then I dont mind.

As long as Nomads/Wilde still want us,all to die.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Akura]

Post above edited to respond to a post I missed.

My opinion.

If you can make this work, then I dont mind.

As long as Nomads/Wilde still want us,all to die.

Chill. :cool:

The Iseijin will still hate the Order, and will do everything to push them from Kusari, and keep them out.

[Ryummel]

Do the Blood Dragons already know about the Iseijin being infected? If not, how would they "un-infect" the pilots they return to them, why would the Kusari unlawfuls trust them being as they're former Naval Forces who apparently can sway even the strongest-willed Dragon warriors to their side? It could all be just another plot, right?

Speaking for the BD..

Answering to the first question, nope, Blood Dragons still treat the Arch as a KNF base. For the second part, I guess it's gonna be quite hard to get any diplomacy between BD and Iseijin working, it'd depend on how Iseijin approach us. Yet again, this is still far away to reach ( .86 -.- )

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[Petitioner]

That answered my questions. So,

I support this idea thoroughly.

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