Hello there gentlemen. Overall I get along pretty well with Interspace Commerce. They do a good job of walking the tightrope between lawful enterprise and shady dealings with unlawful groups.
There is, however, one small matter I feel needs to be cleared up.
Now, if I am reading this post correctly, then it would appear that the GMG is in default of its debts to Interspace Commerce.
Basically, I interpret the post as running like this:
1) IC loans GMG the cash to develop Okinawa.
2) GMG hauls fuel - makes repayments to IC, all is well.
3) Hostilities open up between the Guild and Samura, Kusari intervenes and begins to blockade Okinawa. IC feels the squeeze as they are barred from moving any goods themselves.
4) GMG can no longer repay its loans, goes into default.
Now, that is all well and good. There is, however, one small flaw in this sequence of events. Interspace never loaned the GMG the money. Interspace paid for the Okinawa development, as part of a profit-share arrangement.
To back up this claim of mine - I now quote from the Interspace Commerce Faction Status, note the part I have bolded:
"In a deal with Interspace Commerce to invest and finance the development of the system, the GMG resentfully signed the deal with Interspace Commerce, who would get 5% of all H-fuel profits."
This information in your faction status was obviously taken from the infocard for Furyoku Station - as quoted below - note the bolded portion:
"After the discovery of the Okinawa system, Kishiro and the GMG required a considerable amount of money to quickly begin the construction of the system's infrastructure. Unfortunately, the only corporation both willing and able to underwrite the project was Interspace Commerce, who agreed to insure and finance it in exchange for 5% of the H-Fuel profits and also being permitted to construct a base in Okinawa."
And this is further reinforced by the Furoku's barman infocard. Again note the bolded portion:
"Interspace takes a 5% cut in the H-Fuel profits within this system, although sometimes the GMG lets us take our cut in H-Fuel, rather than in credits."
Sorry guys - I have to call you out on this. You are trying to assert sovereign ownership of a system you dont own, citing debts that dont exist. By all means, prove me wrong by providing infocards, rumours or anything in-game that shows the GMG actually owes money to Interspace.
Otherwise, Interspace Commerce is still entitled to take its 5% cut. If the Kusari blockade means that profits are zero, then 5% of zero is, well you can do the math...
"Interspace Commerce, who agreed to insure and finance it in exchange for 5% of the H-Fuel profits and also being permitted to construct a base in Okinawa"
is rather ambiguous. Finance generally means loan, doesn't it? Which would imply the GMG needs to make payments.
Plus, from our previous threads with GMG-Kusari, I remember Dab saying the GMG and Kishiro are in debt to IC. He's the system developer, it might be up to him to clear it up.
My only problem is that IC decided GMG hasn't been paying its payments, although we are still able to supply two houses freely. I don't think any GMG players were contacted to discuss RP along these lines.
Edit: This thread should never have existed, but there is quite a bit of information within.
"Interspace Commerce, who agreed to insure and finance it in exchange for 5% of the H-Fuel profits and also being permitted to construct a base in Okinawa"
is rather ambiguous. Finance generally means loan, doesn't it? Which would imply the GMG needs to make payments.
Plus, from our previous threads with GMG-Kusari, I remember Dab saying the GMG and Kishiro are in debt to IC. He's the system developer, it might be up to him to clear it up.
My only problem is that IC decided GMG hasn't been paying its payments, although we are still able to supply two houses freely. I don't think any GMG players were contacted to discuss RP along these lines.
I remember Dab saying something like that too. Might be good to get his input on this (shudders)
Funny when system developers who aren't involved in a faction leave a gaping hole in the faction, ready to be exploited.
Quote: who agreed to insure and finance it in exchange for 5% of the H-Fuel profits and also being permitted to construct a base in Okinawa.
The IC get 5% of profits from H-Fuel sales, in return for their 700 billion credit investment.
They may earn thousands of billions from that 5% but they are not owed that 700 billion in any way.
IC gave the money in return for future profits. They did not give it in return for repayment at a later date with interest added, as loans are.
This isn't a loan, it is an investment.
The IC cannot claim anything in Okinawa as they are only owed the profits from H-Fuel sales, they are owed nothing else.
' Wrote:Funny when system developers who aren't involved in a faction leave a gaping hole in the faction, ready to be exploited.
The IC get 5% of profits from H-Fuel sales, in return for their 700 billion credit investment.
They may earn thousands of billions from that 5% but they are not owed that 700 billion in any way.
IC gave the money in return for future profits. They did not give it in return for repayment at a later date with interest added, as loans are.
This isn't a loan, it is an investment.
The IC cannot claim anything in Okinawa as they are only owed the profits from H-Fuel sales, they are owed nothing else.
Well, to be fair, in rp IC can try to claim whatever it wants.
True that, anything can be claimed.
Only thing is that no-one will really take them seriously.
No one can act with impunity in real life, we don't have the public represented here in Disco unfortunately though. So it's up to players to realise when some things are a little far fetched.
More so than usual that is.
<Darthbindo here.
As i told prowler prior to this, we have no illusions of being able to hold Okinawa against the GMG. Rather, this was intended as a elaborate ruse to restore free trade to the Okinawa system and legitimize supply runs to the GMG. Apparently i failed to properly and clearly communicate that.
We don't actually expect any payment, come 4.86 or the end of the Kusari-GMG war we were going to relinquish our "claim".
My bad.
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