Questions about Factions

[Adam_Spire]

I have a few questions about the Unioners, the LWB and The Junkers Steel Workers.

For these factions I see Bombers, fighters, sometimes gunboats, but I see no workers. No labor union working force for the Unioners to actually fight for, No competitive food distribution ships for the LWB, and, at least no real Junker Steel Workers other than terroristic donation seekers.

For the LWB I believe ALG and Hessians are a major supporter of their movement as, with little land to actually be a competitive threat to Synth Foods, if anything, they would have a handful of ships, who actually ship anything. LWB has been seen rarely if at all in game so perhaps this is a big reason why this hasn'€™t been developed any further. Is this correct?

Unioners. I was thinking, ok, they are disgruntled Union shipyard workers who direct their anger, mainly, against Republican Shipping. But where are the union ships, transports, labor force? The more I look into this, Unioners are the guys who work tirelessly during the day and at night, don their terrorist costumes and go go Unioner raiders. So they have no ships or transports or tangible assets because they are the oppressed people who make them while Republican shipping reaps the rewards?

Junker Steel Workers. I just met one for the first time in Omega 7, focusing mainly on my Kruger miner while ignoring, completely, the myriad of IMG miners that surrounded me 2-3 k away. Sounded a bit one sided but we Rped out a '€œdonation'€ to avoid a fire fight. So, following a pattern, will they be another disgruntled terrorist labor union by which there is no recourse to place economic pressure on them leaving them to aggressively attack those they see as oppressive?

I'€™m just wondering.

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Sometimes, when all you want is to gain your freedom, you must be willing to risk it all.

[Rubber_Duck]

I can't speak for the LWB/Unioners.

But for the steel workers. And to answer your question directly: no. The steel workers main task is not pirating others. If, the main goal isn't money, but cargo, which is to be sold for the unions profits. To finance the resistance against oppression of workers. It might happen sometimes, that, if no transport is in range, the typical "donation" might be asked, and it's quite okay.

But in fact, the steel workers mostly focus on trading/smuggling, with some piracy along larger parties of steelworkers. But even then, the main aim is to have a party, to drink, to sing, and... to make other peoples cargo holds a little more empty.:)

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[Adam_Spire]

I can't speak for the LWB/Unioners.

But for the steel workers. And to answer your question directly: no. The steel workers main task is not pirating others. If, the main goal isn't money, but cargo, which is to be sold for the unions profits. To finance the resistance against oppression of workers. It might happen sometimes, that, if no transport is in range, the typical "donation" might be asked, and it's quite okay.

But in fact, the steel workers mostly focus on trading/smuggling, with some piracy along larger parties of steelworkers. But even then, the main aim is to have a party, to drink, to sing, and... to make other peoples cargo holds a little more empty.:)

So if the majority of time I see them Pirating, should I make this an in game issue with the Junkers or am I on my own?

The reason why I ask, is I gave a speech to the SW that if donations were not given, weapons fire would ensue, and the answer was, "something like that." I call it pirating. It happens, but I was thinking, Not -another- pirating faction.

But now Im a bit confused. You said their focus would be on trading/smuggling and not make piracy their main drive in the game, but it seems that trading and smuggling will be at the expense of other traders. So it sounds their whole forte -is- piracy.

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Sometimes, when all you want is to gain your freedom, you must be willing to risk it all.

[BaconSoda]

The LWB has a legal front, known as the WVS. No person would buy food from a terrorist. That makes no sense. The legal farmer's union sells food. The LWB are terrorists. Those two roles are very separate. Probably because a lot of people fake their death to join the LWB with a scorched Earth tactic on Stuttgart. The way those kinds of extremists look at it, if they can't own their farms, then no one can.

Onto ALG, the money ALG donates is actually the money it makes selling terraforming gases and fertilizers to Synth Foods. It's honestly one of the biggest paradoxes in Sirius. So should ALG be demonized or idolized for that? Depends on how you view the LWB and the next point.

The Hessians are basically the funding of the LWB. They don't necessarily care about Stuttgart; they care about having a base in Stuttgart. If not for that, the LWB probably wouldn't exist. They're most likely the poorest faction in all of Sirius. If not for the Hessians wanting Darmstadt to base off of in Stuttgart, the Ostnebel would be real empty.

So should ALG be demonized? Depends on whether or not the LWB wants to eat (irony). Should the Hessians be idolized? Depends on whether or not the LWB wants to fly. Funny thing, the LWB seem to be promoting the very things they dislike about Synth Foods. But that's okay. It's what makes Sirius interesting.

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[Dane Summers]

Having been in the SW, I can tell you that, as a Junker faction, they focus more on the piracy aspect that is an option for Junker ships.

So yes, they are a Junker Pirate Faction.

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[Backo]

The Unioners used to be the real Alster Union -before- they actually got kicked out of Republican. After that the more radical approach spawned - if you can't work with/for them, burn them all. It's why they are called terrorists rather then revolutionaries like the Hessians.

For me, the Unioners are to be hated, to be feared by the public, rather then secretly admired by the low classes like the Hessians and Bundschuh.

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[Adam_Spire]

The LWB has a legal front, known as the WVS. No person would buy food from a terrorist. That makes no sense. The legal farmer's union sells food. The LWB are terrorists. Those two roles are very separate. Probably because a lot of people fake their death to join the LWB with a scorched Earth tactic on Stuttgart. The way those kinds of extremists look at it, if they can't own their farms, then no one can.

Are their players that play the farmer's union or are they scattered about in Synth Foods or some other group? Or just mentioned and not played?

I could never hate ALG for helping them as they seemed to pick up Rheinland's trash anyway.

Seeing the frail yet needed -symbiotic- relationship helps understand their faction choices better. Otherwise, they are just another pirate faction. It also helps in the RP, not pewpew, to communicate with one of their faction as there is an avenue for conversation.

So yes, they are a Junker Pirate Faction.

Just great. I wish there a bit more depth to it than that.

For me, the Unioners are to be hated, to be feared by the public, rather then secretly admired by the low classes like the Hessians and Bundschuh.

I tend to think that way as they just seem to appear to attack and nothing more. Kina like union workers now, going mad tossing rocks at a security station and sabotaging grain shipments.

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Sometimes, when all you want is to gain your freedom, you must be willing to risk it all.

[BaconSoda]

I believe there's mention of them, but they're not really portrayed ingame. Ktayn attempted to play them a wee bit when he was the head of the old LWB, but the role is kind of small, since you're essentially just a food salesman. In a game like this, you don't have many different kinds of reactions to that kind of thing, so it's kind of boring.

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[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Snak5]

It is like IC's insurances.

Everybody barks that IC should not be shipping, but when we offer insurance at last, nobody buys it or even pays interest:D

People don't need a lot in games.

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[BaconSoda]

I've had the time to look into it some more, and the WVS is mentioned in some rumors at Stuttgart. If you go here, click Rheinland, Stuttgart, Pl Stuttget, then S. Modesta - RFP, then you can read about how the WVS was originally very pro-LWB and how that got turned about. Rather an interesting thing.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.