Suggestion for Faction [Xenos]

[Tranquillity]

The Xenos is weak faction,

There for i like to suggest that Eagle,Girffen,hawk can be sold at the Xenos bases.
it would be nice if Xenos had there own Ship.
One that is fast, and has good power plant to support Xenos weapons, And also Xenos missions pays more.

The only reason i suggest this is cause Xenos has no capital acces, there for i think it's an good ballance if they have an better fighter.

Reduce the class 9 Blackwidow weapon, for powerdrain ballance.

Please think over, Xenos is an poor faction and has no allies.

Let discuse it here.

P.S Ouray base is bugged needs to be fixed (dock FL crashes)

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maybe we can add that Xenos are Friendly with zoners or IMG,
That way Xenos can have there own super eagle and some new inproved 5.33 guns

Cause in the old Rep sheet, if you kill Xenos to much Zoners wil turn red aswel. Look at this :

Allies
None

Enemies
Everyone except the neutral Zoners and the IMG


so ? maybe some toughs ?

[Reverend Del]

Tranquility you are addressing a point that has been addressed a multitude of times and always with the same response, we shouldn't get it cos we're poor. I don't agree with that and my points are raised here, Tubalcaine asked the same question in a different section.

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[McNeo]

I would like to say this:

The USSR was poor and starving. But it didnt stop them from making a tidalwave of T-32 medium tanks to surround the German 4th army in Stalingrad. It didnt stop them from putting up the first satellite. It didnt stop them from developing a nuclear bomb. And it didn't stop them from developing MIGs and SU series aircraft. It didn't stop them from developing a 16 engined heavy lifting aircraft, and it didn't stop them from using dolphins as suicide bombers against ships and submarines.

So why should it stop the Xenos from developing something good?
Why should it stop the Unioners, Gaians, Corsairs, Bundschuh, GC or the Order?

[Dusty Lens]

Ma! Ma! Get da kids into the cellar! There's a #@&* storm on the horizon! Looks like we're about to be hit bad!

Firstly, I will poison my arguments by reminding that I am a member of the Xeno Alliance, though I make every attempt in every discussion to remain impartial.

The common responce to these types of threads, and doubtless one which will be rearing its ugly head soon enough is "Each faction comes with its own limitations", true enough, but sometimes the argument leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Some factions seem to be more 'limitations' than others, and that aint because of RP.

The point about Xenos needing to trek halfway across Sirius to secure ourselves a bit of kit has been brought up on a few occasions, as has the issues about the Xenos being a faction that would be delighted to have access to a vessel better able to manage the uniquely high demand power drain presented by our weapons.

Both of these issues generally cause a sort of angst in the community not completely unlike one caused by heavy chafing on a hot day whilst being attacked by a bear while your special ladyfriend calls up to say stuff about just being friends.

Not to say that the Eagle is anything but an amazing ship and we're lucky to have access to it. I'm a wretched pilot and I can perform magic with that thing... For the seven seconds my powerplant can hold out under the strain of two black widows and four suntigers... While being chased by four mercs, two bounty hunters, six cops and two outcasts in a mixture of various cruisers, gunboats and fighters... Because everyone loves a Xeno.

But, we're poor. Right, forgot. Someone should really start an organization to support all of these 'poor' factions.

I due note with a little tongue in cheek irony that Jinx's new Junker ship concept (an utterly beautiful model I might add, but surprise there) was enthusiastically declared a Unioner vessel. I wasn't aware the Unioners had won the lottery.

I've also been of a mind to wonder if perhaps the ID limitation on SHFs, and possibly transports, shouldn't be lifted as well, given that the other benefits presented by the ID (the ability to engage at will) has been more or less put into cold storage.

Heck, someone might as well be using those SHF as ultra-light gunboats, as they were intended. Given our status as the most ghetto faction in Sirius.

[pchwang]

The Soviets weren't poor, McNeo. The people were. The government was not. This is the case of all communist nations, and it is why the Soviets could turn their entire nation to a war machine overnight.

The Xenos are a different kind of poor, almost like US Revolutionaries/Free French poor. We have our own guns, they have their deficits, but the they are ours. The Xenos d have any capability of mass production, unfortunately.

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[McNeo]

Thankyou Elgato, you proved my point.

The people of these nations or factions are poor, not the nations or factions themselves.

So why deny them a ship with good stats?

I am sure the Xenos as well as all the other pirate factions loot things on a regular basis. Engine components, ship hull panels, etc.

So why are they restricted by the stigma of the ruling majority of the community here?

And who says you need mass production to make a good ship?

[Reverend Del]

As I pointed out inthe other thread on this topic earier on today, the Xenos being poor relies on us blindly following the NPC's, given the work The Sons Of Liberty and the Serpentis have done in cracking down on foreign trade, surely the Xenos should be rich enough by now to actually be able to modify an eagle, christ even my local chavs have enough money to mod their Ford Fiestas. I don't like the argument that we should stick to our Infocard when there has been RP done by the Xenos to suggest otherwise, dynamic roleplay not static.

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[Dusty Lens]

The Soviets weren't poor, McNeo. The people were. The government was not. This is the case of all communist nations, and it is why the Soviets could turn their entire nation to a war machine overnight.

The Xenos are a different kind of poor, almost like US Revolutionaries/Free French poor. We have our own guns, they have their deficits, but the they are ours. The Xenos d have any capability of mass production, unfortunately.

True story, especially considering the 'ol mass production 'o our own ships. Why I've always argues amongst our folks that if we did have a vessel of our own it would likely be a hot rodded Eagle. Tweak the reactor to burn a bit hotter, rip off some armor to reduce the overall mass some and voila, you've a ship that's half on fire but doing what we need it to do.

(holy heck three posts in short order)

[Dusty Lens]

I am sure the Xenos as well as all the other pirate factions loot things on a regular basis. Engine components, ship hull panels, etc.

*chuckles* As a matter of fact I take my X shuttle on raids all the time. Blasting depots, taking down transports etc. It's purely for RP, me acting the fool and securing supplies for the bases back home. But I can assure you that I secure a -lot- of supplies.

I might also add that we actually do manufacture engine components on Nome. The Xenos seem to operate from a sort of 'cottage industry' philosophy. Each small base operating to manufacture another type of necessity.

[Tubalcaine]

Tranquillity has a some valid points, but so does everyone else. While I agree that Xenos don't really need their own completely new fighter, and if they did have their own fighter it shouldn't be wonderful, sold everywhere, mass produced, and should only be a modification, but I stand by the fact that Xenos should have some kind of decent Civilian craft (crow, eagle, whatever, even just one) sold on a Xeno base (even just one) somewhere in a Liberty or Independant system (even just one).

And Xeno missions pay perfectly well (especially against the BHG). Its' true that Xeno heavy weapons can be a little... thirsty, but its' firepower or re-fire, not both eh? And even if the Unioners do get a new ship they are still Bill Gates to out Street Hobo. And are there even SHFs? I wasn't aware they existed let alone which ones they are.

But I 'spose until any of this is changed I will have to wait go on pilgrimage to some remote edge nebula system to get a decent ship... Or continue to strike fear into the hearts of Orca Gunboats (Loki, I'm lookin' at you) In my phearzom Starblazer.

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