Indies VS. Capships.

[killhappyfool]

OK from what I have gotten the issue is over registration and whether or not its a rule, as well as it is a right that is allowed?

Personally I think that sometimes Indies are at fault other times I have seen the faction being at fault for the manner in which they act. However this is here to get you all off my topic that was designed to encourage the creation of page(s) to handle all the rules.

Enjoy.

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[Unseelie]

I believe, as Akumobito says, an indie is well within his rights to tell the factions that they can stfu.
I also believe that the faction is within its rights to make the demand that caused the stfu, and then deal with the stfuing indie in a rather brutal fashion.

I also think that, though the general framework of such an event will be similar across the board, groups can deal with one another a lot easier if they are just a mite nicer about their demands and their stfuing.

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[Tenacity]

Honestly, I dont think 'indies' should be using anything larger than a gunboat/gunship without the owning faction's approval.

There are -way- too many people running around in cruisers and dreadnaughts who have no clue how to RP, and are using the ships for nothing but pvp whoring which IS against server rules.

If you've got a story to back your character, and it's posted here in the forums, and you've asked the faction that owns the ship you want for permission to use it (and they agree) - then by all means, be an independent capship and have fun. Most factions will not restrict you from the caps under their control unless you give them reason to think that you're going to abuse the right to use that ship.

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[Akumabito]

I believe, as Akumobito says, an indie is well within his rights to tell the factions that they can stfu.
I also believe that the faction is within its rights to make the demand that caused the stfu, and then deal with the stfuing indie in a rather brutal fashion.

So how do you address the fact that the faction is basically doing oorp pvp whoring to enforce their will on non faction members? That they can get away with it is different than it being right. The rules (6.6) say all pvp has to be rp based, and one sided RP (me declaring you nomad infected and no longer fit or wanted as queen for instance, which is the same as eppy calling non registering outcasts corsair traitors)

There is no RP in that situation, just bullying.

I also think that, though the general framework of such an event will be similar across the board, groups can deal with one another a lot easier if they are just a mite nicer about their demands and their stfuing.

So what does that mean? Something that starts with "I don't give a rat's behind how you have been playing that outcast dessie on the server and forums, register it or I'll pvp whore you to death, pion" Is not nice.

Nice is identifying problem players and addressing them on an individual basis, without bothering and threatening players who are not the problem.

But faction leaders don't care about nice.

[Dab]

Not sure what thread this came from.. But here goes;

Personally, I like what 101st is doing with the indie capships. (This isn't biased, ask Eppy. If I think he is being stupid about something, I tell him he is being stupid about something..) They have indies registered and tell them a few guidelines.. Like not taking their OC destroyers in NY to pvp whore..

However, what TBH and OPG are doing (and kudos to Benitez for not agreeing with it) I don't like. They are doing the same thing, AND telling the indie capships that they are under the faction's control.. That is not right at all, especially with an organization like the Corsairs. If it were a government with a paid military like the KNF, BAF, etc it'd be alright.. But TBH and OPG want full control over the independents, which is completely contradictory to the definition of independent.. I know this phrase has been used too much in the past, but it is perfect for here. This is Freelancer, not factionlancer. Register indie capships, yes. Tell them what they are not allowed to do, yes. Tell them what they have to do and treat them like the faction's slaves, hell no.

As long as an indie follows the guidelines (good examples; Staying out of NY, unless they have good reason, not pvp-whoring, protecting Malta/Crete from hostiles) he should be allowed to do what he wants, not what the factions say they should do. The TBH/OPG elders seem to think they are above and beyond the rest of the Corsairs.. They aren't. They have no real authority over the independent Corsairs, only the ones in their faction. They can try to enforce it through military means against fellow Corsairs.. But thats it. There is no rule that an independent has to listen to a faction leader. And I highly doubt there will ever be one.

Many people complain about indies and indie capwhores. Well the factions aren't really any better in many cases.. TBH has definitely cut down on their capship usage.. OPG needs a little more work in that area.. However, they still overuse their capships. I see as many faction Praefects as I do indie Praefects.. And definitely more dreadnaughts from the factions, and those dreadnaughts are used a LOT. I've seen them brought out to kill 1-2 fighters before.. Why? A faction can easily bring out a couple of its own fighters, or at least gunboats, but they pull out battleships..

If an indie doesn't want to register his ship, he doesn't have to, and there is nothing the faction can do about it other than shoot him.

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[timmychen]

However this is here to get you all off my topic that was designed to encourage the creation of page(s) to handle all the rules.

I love you.

Anyways, I find it odd that this all started with the Outcast restrictions. Rheinland has been restricting their capital ships (they don't even let you "register" them, AFAIK), and no one has complained as much as they have the past few weeks. Why is this?

[mwerte]

again? don't we already have enough threads with flames pouring out of them?

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[Tenacity]

And by the way, there's a reason player-factions are allowed to restrict ships and system access... they were approved by the server admins, they've paid 500 million credits or more, and they've demonstrated the ability to RP well and follow server rules (usually).

Independents coming along wanting to own a battleship have done none of that, and until they prove themselves capable of decent RP and self-restraint, both in game and here on the forums, they dont really deserve that ship.

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[timmychen]

So how do you address the fact that the faction is basically doing oorp pvp whoring to enforce their will on non faction members? That they can get away with it is different than it being right. The rules (6.6) say all pvp has to be rp based, and one sided RP (me declaring you nomad infected and no longer fit or wanted as queen for instance, which is the same as eppy calling non registering outcasts corsair traitors)

There is no RP in that situation, just bullying.

Who says there can't be bullying in-RP?

[Akumabito]

And by the way, there's a reason player-factions are allowed to restrict ships and system access... they were approved by the server admins, they've paid 500 million credits or more, and they've demonstrated the ability to RP well and follow server rules (usually).

But none of that actually gives them the right, within the rules, to restrict ships.

Your saying if you have a car license you should be able to fly a jet with it.