Only in the event that we have to make the decision will PM'd data be accepted. If you're getting feedback from the community it is wise to post anything and everything that may help your request. However if you do not wish folks to know that it is you posting the request you MAY use an alternate forum account to post the request. We have ways of finding out who you are so anonymity to the rest of the community does not necessarily mean anonymity to the Admin team. Although you may rest assured that nothing untoward will happen as a result of us having this information. Long gone are the days of Admins outing secondary accounts for personal laughs.
And if there is any more backbiting in this thread I'll be locking it for a bit of a tidy up and the offending poster will get slapped, clear?
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This forum category will be used for posting threads for characters that use customized role-playing.
Who should post here?
The admins have agreed that the main reason to introduce the practice of special character approval is to prevent players from using doubtful RP excuses using non-RP ships and weaponry. So, our task is not taking away freedom of choice, but rather prevent out-of-RP setups from appearing without any logical background. This forum is meant to determine if the background is logical or not.
Slight changes in equipment or weaponry (like using an occasional gun of another faction while having generally correct ship setup) should not require post in this forum. Changes that do require posting are:
- Using ship not belonging to the faction or its close allies;
- Using weapon/equipment setup that significantly differs from player faction's; - Applying for Terrorist ID;
- Other cases of using out-of-RP ship, eqipment setup or unusual role-playing alignment."
but that was changed. See here for the actuall quote.
' Wrote:As silly as this may sound, I have to disagree with you there. Instead of looking at simply a wall of words, numbers that were also put into the Roleplay of the ship may also show great devotion to the roleplay, which may be used to sway opinion. Without this, it just looks like a fancy story to get a fancy ship, where if you include the exact number of materials with which you shipped, it gives the impression that you are putting effort into maintaining the RP of the ship itself. I also know that you did state that you sat about the Rheinland BS wreck in Omicron-85 "scanning," and also that you collected scrap for several hours, and though that also shows dedication to the RP, adding more to that pot shows more dedication to that RP, instead of simply a fancy story for a fancy ship.
It's not a secret now as that part is well past done. If you want to look at the figures they are here: Rheinland Sorry footnote page link is broken but it conveys the point.
The RP for the Congress ship is that it is a symbol--like the Liberty Bell or "Old Ironsides" (the USS Constitution). The early United States Navy consisted of two ships and was built as an announcement that though the greatest naval power on the earth was still hovering over then they would meet them on an front and stand for their own independence. The Washington monument, capitol, etc. were laid out and designed to impress and crate a sense of grandeur that said, "America is a special nation". The reason the Rheinland battleship was chosen is simply location and the fact that Junker bases are in proximity to past and present examples and samples of it. Easily studied and examined--especially by Junkers. Its a big, massive ship--a living monument--and that was the point. Junkers will see it cruise into Yanagi and Puerto Rico and say, We built that!" Not a csv or a collector but a replica of one of the most powerful warships in Sirius.
The Congress--which is planting a seed of a future Junker house government--knows that to pull Junkers together with a sense of unity and purpose they will need such symbols. Junkers live under them daily. Outcasts, Corsairs, House Navies. For a Junker government to be esteemed by Junkers it will have to demonstrate it has something to offer and can compare to these other societies.
The military mind of the Congress also believes that the Nomads and Wild are a true threat. Not of dominance or loss of market--but a threat to Junker and human survival. Death Scythes and Turanic Raiders freighters will not stop Scorpion fleets or Nomad battleships. The Order, while appreciated, can not be relied on by Junkers. We work with their allies and know that what motivates them is their own self interest. --not to mention one of them, the Hogosha, are actually enemies and by working with Corsairs and the Order have the potential of gaining assets and information that can be used against Junkers. The house governments will never approve of Junker power and their trade partners will not want independent strong Junkers either. They want Junkers to be useful--and Junkers (as well as the Congress) make sure that they are--but that is no guarantee of our future survival. Junkers walk softly but the Congress understands there is also a time to carry a big stick. The Congress is composed of elite military officers who want a secure future for independent Junkers and are making sure Junkers have what they will need in any circumstance.
The entire confrontation at Yanagi was staged by us. The appointment of a Corsair as an adjudicator. The refusal to stand down in the face of the Outcast fleet. All was balanced with diplomacy but the goal was establishment of territorial boundaries and recognition by the most powerful criminal factions that Junker bases are self-governing zones. We received an acknowledgment of our authority and now work in Sigma as peers rather than as a gas station for criminals who formally did whatever they pleased there. The Rheinland reinforces that image more and it also is the first real defense we have against a Wild invasion at Yanagi. It is also the only system where we can field ships without offending the houses. All of this was planned out before we were official, long ago. When we have enough time on the server we'll buy Puerto Rico which will be our political capitol and Yanagi will remain our military headquarters and forward base against the Wild and a staging area to defend against any Nomad assaults should such occur. It will take all of our resources to have a chance of defending two systems--we are building the minimal assets to do so.
The Congress has not done away with drug smuggling, slavery, contraband trading and the like because we know it is built into Junker society. That will take the will of the Junker people to change and is for another day. So we will not ask Junkers to give up their independence or freedoms or stop their businesses--we will lead by example and look to the day when more Junkers choose to join the cause. in the meantime we will protect Junker independence and freedom--even the freedom to do those things.
Our role play in this is a solid part of our lore, faction creation proposal, and stated role play goals and does not conflict with current Junker activities. So there is no "Hey! Let's do this and get a cap ship so we can trounce this faction!" going on. I'd just as soon avoid having any interaction with players who have that stance and suspicion al the time. They are the ones who are constantly demanding "proof' that your role play is "pure" and no matter what you do it will never suffice.
This is a straight forward simple request for a ship class already allowed by our faction infocard and already allowed by our faction approval. The special role play was not so we could ask, "Can we have a battleship?" Yes--we can.
It was to get acceptance that we would use the Rheinland model in order to have the battleship we have always intended to role play. Rather than just "go buy one". So address concerns to, "Is the Rheinland appropriate here?" not, "Should they be allowed a battleship?"--we already have the right to have one. This is a special ROLE PLAY request. We want the approval of the role play for a "Rheineland replica" built for the reasons given above. Not approval for "whether or not we can have a battleship". Our focus here is on the role play--not proving we deserve to be able to avail ourselves of what we are already entitled to. We did NOT want to offend RM or send a message to players that you can just "invent yourself any ship you like". I entirely respect RMs desire to keep role play intact with their house navies capitol class. I haven't always agreed with the means but the goal I do understand. What I have labored at--before this request back when the faction was first proposed is establishing that this ship is integral to our faction's specific role play. The desire for this particular ship (and that is what the request is about) is embedded in our entire faction's reason for being and Junkers actually have the game provided background--shipyards, reverse engineered alien technologies, cruiser refitting and reconstruction experience, access to massive raw resources and wealth and manpower. We are "inside" our role play on this--not stretching it into an alien direction not normally part of our in-game faction's capability or experience.
As to how it was done (the technical details)--you have the time line link above you can go ooh and ah over (it's a lot of numbers). We have a pirate train and seven transports at Yanagi plus Harvester and member ships that hauled materials over four months to meet that schedule. Those who passed through Yanagi and heard "Artifact Annie in her Kusari Explorer for more than a month saying, "Powering up array", "Scanning debris field ", "Uploading debris cloud analysis" and then sailed by and saw the huge cloud of scrap metal stretching from the New Berlin jump hole all the way back to Yanagi. "Annie" told people what she was doing when they asked and stated, "I'm working for the Junkers at Yanagi and mapping the debris in Sigma and they upload it to Vieques".
We named transport ship after the seven dwarves at the end to transport materials and I heard many comments, "What's with the dwarves?" We wanted people to notice them.
When DW was trying to edge us out of Bornholm the reason we were present there was delivering and picking up components for the battleship.
The Harvesters destroyed three RM battleships and we had a player post for us that he had seen ships destroyed so they would know (we took ship names and screen shots of it too). They did this to salvage components for analysis and did it while RM members were in system. It was just one more layer to add in.
We rped giving scrap to Harvester ships so they could make hull panels and frames which we actually bought while they were there and then transported. They took the scrap and then we hauled out the stuff we needed. We delivered more scrap to Bornholm and hauled the assembled components from there back to Vieques. These were just touches to make it plausible and believable and actually give our members a structure to rp it in.
We paid the RHA for the services of one hundred of their ship engineers to work with us developing internal systems to outfit the ship with and the contract is posted on the forum. instead of "telling everybody everything up front" we did PUBLIC things so people could DISCOVER what we were doing. In fact, a Xeno almost found out our entire plan right at the start. The NORAD ships were unmarked survey ships to spy out and survey the wrecks and the 101st and ROS can tell you about them as they chased them over and over for a week with great fury.
So I can go on and on but role play is supposed to be fu and have an element of mystery. I'm not demanding full disclosure from the 101st on exactly what they will do with the Nomads as that wwould ruin any rp they have planned I'd rather be surprised and I trust them and the admins to keep themselves in balance on it.
The only reason to not take a faction's word that it has sincere role play is if you don't trust them, like them or don't want them to have a particular role play. Our approach is to try to include sincere role play of others even if its not our cup of tea. We included the Harvesters because they exposed us to their role play and wanted a reaction from us. On a role p;lay server we are obligated to oblige. Scornstar and I have joked on a few occasions about, "Any day one of us might get an advantage and betray the other"--but we didn't worry about the other "cheating" to do it. We are playing for the fun.
So let's keep it fun please?
Private messages I sent were in response to direct questions to me. Nothing secret happening.
Quote:One thing that was made abundantly clear is the the Terrorist is not attainable through the special RP section, the Admin team has very select criteria for attaining one of these, and it doesn't matter who you are, that criteria never changes.
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Above all else a Terrorist ID application stands on it's own merit. You look at it and say, yes this does need a Terrorist ID. Incidentally wee can spot a story written to get one a mile off. Character comes first, story next, and then only if it's necessary do you get the ID.
So whether or not what the pin in the Special RP forum says now, or ever did, Terrorist IDs have never been available through that system. It's a fully admin process in the end.
' Wrote:The problem with it as it stands is that nobody posts unless there's a hullabaloo over it, the Special Rp section needs folks to start posting in it, post haste. If it doesn't start getting used then it's going to go. The JC battleship was done via PM's because it was long past due and it hadn't been noticed, if folks start posting in these threads for proper reasons rather than based on the popularity of the thread author, we won't be having to take it to Pm's or skype and the system will work as it should. However at the moment it doesn't work because the community aren't doing their bit. Leaving it all to us means we deal with it in the most expedient manner possible.
well double dang....i completely missed this whole thing...i would've posted loads about it if i had seen it, seeing as i'm a junker purist and i'm firmly against any kind of militaristic junkers....but i think most people know that.
i must have overlooked it in the "View New Posts" list. the title was a bit deceiving, and as i skimed over it i guess i didn't realized what it was.
oh well, what's done is done. i'll save my opinions, since they won't matter now.
i'll try to keep my eyes peeled better in the future.
Tink, the point that this wasn't done publicly, with everyone involved was what I wanted to address, NOT the Roleplay of the ship itself. All I wanted to know is if we could do what you were doing, or if we all had to post EVERYTHING in our thread.
I do think that you should've posted that all in your thread, and that is another point I wanted to address, and both of them have been addressed, by Pope Rockfist here. I was never doubting the fact that your request lacked RP, as you seem to have assumed. :dry:
Now, then, could we either let this die, as the questions have been answered, or put a clamp on it? Thank you.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
' Wrote:Tink, the point that this wasn't done publicly, with everyone involved was what I wanted to address, NOT the Roleplay of the ship itself. All I wanted to know is if we could do what you were doing, or if we all had to post EVERYTHING in our thread.
I do think that you should've posted that all in your thread, and that is another point I wanted to address, and both of them have been addressed, by Pope Rockfist here. I was never doubting the fact that your request lacked RP, as you seem to have assumed. :dry:
Now, then, could we either let this die, as the questions have been answered, or put a clamp on it? Thank you.
' Wrote:Why dont you take that crap somewhere else? I dont have a problem with the rp of the ship, I never said I had a problem with the RP of the ship and thats really not the point now is it? Tink and I have talk via PM's and I dont think that is what he thinks. Bacon started a thread to discuss the procedure of the special character forum, so that there would be a little more clarity, not to slam on th JC. So if you dont have something to say about that, kindly can it.
Hold on, let me go get two other people.
(Oh wait, stuff will actually happen if I spam the thread.)