Another thing, I don't have a problem with the registration threads on forums to be honest. People willing to participate in them can't be accused for this. What I would like to point out here is the interdicting part of the things that occur on the server. Discovery is a roleplaying server and as long as it is, we, the players are bound to treat it accordingly, do whatever necessitates to keep the overall harmony in shape. Get your acts up together while dealing with people on the server those who don't have the slightest clue about what roleplay is yet. Dominate them with your reasoning power!
I'm sorry to say Sindroms, that we have to grin and bear it.
Yesterday, a gunboat started shooting me and the Xeno's who I was fighting, and when it ignored me after 7 warnings, I ordered it destroyed for "the good of Liberty". Why? He was shooting me. But, he was also ruining a good fight. He want's to destroy 3 peoples fun, we'll destroy his.
Point?
That even if we get people to write an RP on the forums, we can have something like this:
"the LNS-Kissmyarse is a dreadnought, she is based in the ny systems, and is there to blow up criminals."
Oh, wow, epic, we can expect LNS-Kissmyarse to have come to this Server to RP, and NOT be a PvP whore can't we?
The only way to control this is to limit it... limiting something makes people unhappy, and the admins are unwilling to do it. Therefore, we can't do anything about it.
' Wrote:Registrations do allow you to know who flies what, yep. That's good, as it increases communication between the factions and the indies, which allows more team work to occur. I agree with you there.
Thank you for that.
' Wrote:If the indie really doesn't want to be contacted over his rulebreaking/whatever, then make a violation report. The admins can find who owns that, and if he's not on the forums, then he'll probably make a forum account to find out why he was sanctioned.
As I said, the problem is with those, and this time I say it about all ships, not just capital ones, though those have the ability to make the most trouble, that don't break the rules per say, but skim on the level of barely acceptable and break everyone's immersion despite that, with various acts.
' Wrote:Edit: this is a conflict between "big ships and small ships", because this is a topic about capital ships. Pvp whores can be in any type of ship they want, yet the only ones singled out here are capital ships.
Yeah it's true what you say, and I never considered the problem to be just with capital ships. But the fact stands that the capital ships can make the most trouble and ruckus, while smaller ones can be dealt with easily.
And people, don't get me wrong, I hate removal of various liberties around, but I really can't see how various things that are talked about can damage yourselves.
Quote:Now the question is: where does idiocy start and where does it end?
Sure some Dessi camping WP might be a clear case but there are many opportunetys that are in some sort of "gray zone".
This might lead to injustice as some one might rp well but some other guy just dislikes it or did not get to see the big picture, so he claims its poor rp and of goes the ffa.
I have some experiances on other rp communetys, and one thing i learned is, that you cant beat poor rp with rules, it does not work.
A valid point, and a flaw in what's being talked about.
That's why there are admins to decide on what is considered what. Though perhaps swamping them with tons of reports doesn't work either.
And it's not really that much about quality of RP. I mean, to some degree, yes, but that's just the thing I've mentioned in all my posts in the thread so far.
It doesn't matter to me how good you RP, if that's indeed what you're trying to do.
And yes, I know, rules are not the magical solution to everything. I don't really know what to say, though, perhaps Seth Karlo's right.
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' Wrote:The only way to control this is to limit it... limiting something makes people unhappy, and the admins are unwilling to do it. Therefore, we can't do anything about it.
Sorry.
Limits are unlikely to have any effect on people those who are reluctant to act with reason. Abolishing their actions with proper roleplay is in your hands.
Which is something I do, only if I give them every oppurtunity to stop being a royal pain in the ass. I don't want to make them unhappy, but really this is about education.
I was asked yesterday if it was true Researchers and BHG could go through Alaska without consequences. I replied that Alaska was a navy only system. They told me that a certain LNS (I have screenshots) had told them it was perfectly fine.
Now, who thinks that LNS has read the rules? I don't. He made an account here only to answer to his sanction report. People who only come here to get a large ship and fly around shooting things are the kind of people we're targetting.
As it is impossible to seperate the people flying caps with good RP and the ones with **** RP (I put astericks.), the only thing we can do is educate. Try and encourage more people to come to the forums and register, put the rules in a more accesable place (it took me a long time to find them when I arrived). Try and talk to them. If you're foreign, you could make a thread, where the people fluent in two languages could post, and perhaps help foreign people who come here.
After seeing three cap or indie registrations fail, in 2 factions, 2 of these registrations being done by the LN and the LSF..I can say that personally if I had an indie cap, I'd plain outright refuse to sign it. So I understand indies there. The registrations are probably the most pointless and dumb idea that we ever came up with because if they don't sign it, we can't do crap, and if they do sign it, it doesn't mean anything. I can't offer a way of dealing with this because I have no authority to deal with it. You can't force people to change just because they like to pvp more than RP, its unfortunate but true. Our server rules are very lenient toward such things, despite how strict they might sound. Making a difference and getting rid of such people can be easy for the admins, but how can a person make a choice of who's bad or who's right? We'd soon have a server of 15-20 people that can RP flawlessly and everyone else would leave. I'd say leave it as it is, capwhoring and any other pvpwhoring stops eventually for a few months, then starts for a few, then stops for a few, learn to live with it because you can do absolutely nothing to change it.
I think both of your last suggestions work well, run when there's no reasoning with the person that's ruining your fun, but always try to talk and reason with the guy/girl before that. Most of the time talking to them works if you're nice enough and your points are actually valid. But its also not always bad. My keeper got attacked yesterday by a bomber, a fighter and a BC, I was alone on my keeper bomber. Now the fight went well because the BC's flak was actually killing and hurting the guys that were fighting against me more than it bothered me. So as I said, its not always that bad. Just find a way to deal and cope with every situation.
There are things you can do. Registrations may have failed, which is true up to an extent. Forming your acts for a Naval organization on how to deal with undesired consequences that you call as -capwhores- shouldn't be too hard. If they are reluctant to have a peek at forums down here, then they could also shut it instead of accusing people just because they were dealt with a reasonable manner, which probably ended up with the problematic personnel's loss of equipment and etc.
' Wrote:Well, i am just surprised at some of the answers i got, that people who, as they say, are there to rp (and they said it while shooting some kith somtaaw fighter guy) but cannot do so much as a simply rp post. Shows either that they rp only when needed and if needed or that they arent interested or arent respecting older rps of other people.
Being "indie" doesen't mean you do not effect other's rps and vise versa.
Where are those twenty names?
I am here to RP. Prove that I am not here for that purpose simply because I do not have some of my capital ships registered.
' Wrote:And frankly, n00bl3t, why make it a fight of wills like this? I mean, why must you defy some things out of principle, though it's sometimes a good thing as you raise awareness of some people taking complaints and "problem solving" too far, if they're not really hard for you to do?
I mean, I friggin' know that you can come up with a short RP post in the length of a couple of lines in less than 5 minutes. So why not do so?
Why should the many indies that RP not be a role-model for the newer players?
Same as some factions serve as a role-model to certain groups, same thing can be applied here.
I just get disappointed whenever I see people fighting against things that'd actually help the server as a whole. And it doesn't hurt you one single bit.
If you can spend dozens and hundreds of hours on chars, you sure can take 5 minutes of your time to register in a thread. Just post something, anything.
And anyways, the whole problem lies just there, as Sindroms said, with people that RP in system chat juuuuust enough to avoid a sanction, but generally act like amazing douchebags on a daily basis, not taking anyone else into consideration.
I for example one day sit somewhere in space with one of my chars, doesn't matter which kind, and I get some random cruiser, dessie, or battleship who throws in a little engagement notice and then proceeds to kill me before I can utter a single word of RP.
And when that happens, I am thrown out of that system and char for four hours, and I got nothing in return.
I don't really mind losing that much, believe me or not, but I hate losing when I've not even been given the chance to start playing.
Frankly, you were not around when launches of my OC Destroyer resulted in the Spanish Inquisition occuring outside Planet Malta. I have no idea how many independent capital ships you fly, so let me ask you, have you been told by a faction that you are simply a capwhore, in-game? (Or ironically, other independents who deliver an e-apple to factions every day.)
It is a point of principle and practicality. I have more than a page of RP for most of my capital ships, if you are too lackadaisical to read it, then you are not competent enough to run a registry, and you are definitely not qualified enough to tell me that I do not have enough RP, that I am a capwhore or a blight on this server.
Furthermore, let us continue with the frankness. Why do I need forum RP? Is it a prerequisite to playing on the server? The rigidity that is displayed by some of those who want mandatory registrations is ridiculous, it has been said again and again that registration with a paragraph of who I am does not work. In fact, I see the same posts going back and forth, simply with some words changed here and there. The same posts that would have been typed around a year ago. Not to mention in-game RP is greater than forum RP. The forum was meant to supplement RP, not be the whole source of it.
I have seen what happens with capital ship registries, and I do not think it would help the server, as a whole.
Congratulations on getting killed with some minute engagement notice. I played before the engagement warning rule was brought in, when I would start to type something and they would start firing because for some arcane reason that is barely rooted in RP, that is, because they believed me to be KOS.