' Wrote:Kambei. I am a RPer. I want to RP my LIBERTY ROGUE. I dont WANT to go to Kusari or Bretonia. I just want to enjoy my stay on disco and ask for at least some kind of understanding from the person who is firing 5 missiles at me.
I agree with him, I can't envision Kusari or Bretonian Rogues... Liberty Rogues stay in Liberty and cause havoc to trading, then Navy/LPI respond. Realistically, it should start slow i.e. scout the area, then if it gets too hairy for the Navy send in the capital. One only. There is a cold war with Rheinland after all. I cannot see the following happening:
Defense Secretary - "President! The Liberty Rogues are disrupting a fair amount of our traders, and there are reports of 'lolwutting' taunts ciming from them!" President - "I understand, send in the Dreadnoughts and Cruisers now" Defense Secretary - "But sir, our forces are spread thin, we must keep a defensive line against the possible Rheinland threat!" President - "Rheinland a threat? Pah, they had their sauerkraut shoved into them in the Nomad Wars, they're no threat. Just, purge the Rogues, and anyone else thats shady" Defense Secretary - "That's not wise sir, but what about the LPI?" President - "Those donut munchers? Fire them, they can't stop anything without the Navy"
That was all a joke above...
RP wise, capitals should almost never engage pirates unless they get close to installations or Manhattan. They need to be protecting the borders.
Well if you want RP rogue... than dont cry about geting owned in Liberty;)
Mjolnir got point... core Liberty systems arent place for piracy. From my RP view is everybody doing piracy in NY system idiot, dumb or mentaly ill and I speak with those ppl like I speak with retarded persons
"me hunter" "bounty here on you" "defend yourself" because I know retarded ppl doesnt understand longer sentences.
Kill me but anybody trying in RL rob truck in front of whitehouse (Manhattan and TLs around) is retarded, anybody trying to rob truck in front of westpoint (westpoint station) is retarded and everybody trying to rob truck in front of biggest police station in New York City (Fort Bush) is retarded.
If you want realy RP in NY do it corectly (guerila strikes from Buffalo and field around against LN or Police and quick fall back, propaganda, smugling).... Texas, California, Colorado... are places to do bigger mess like epic battles and borderworlds are real source of money a.k.a piracy spots.
Its hard to balance RP with palyer interaction, if i sit in the borderworlds, i have noone to RP with, excuse me for being human and having the need of company.
But in short, would people rather install brakes on their ships and know when enough is enough, and think about the other side?
' Wrote:Its hard to balance RP with palyer interaction, if i sit in the borderworlds, i have noone to RP with, excuse me for being human and having the need of company.
But in short, would people rather install brakes on their ships and know when enough is enough, and think about the other side?
You dont need to sit in borderworlds whole day... rob few trais and go into core space but not to do piracy but smugle something, do some propaganda, try to recruit new players or just intentionaly find and attack your enemie (police, xenos. navy etc. etc.) but when you kill someone dont stay at place "lololo pwn pwn" but run with godspeed with good fealing from fight till caps come.
' Wrote:You dont need to sit in borderworlds whole day... rob few trais and go into core space but not to do piracy but smugle something, do some propaganda, try to recruit new players or just intentionaly find and attack your enemie (police, xenos. navy etc. etc.) but when you kill someone dont stay at place "lololo pwn pwn" but run with godspeed with good fealing from fight till caps come.
Kambei..i will ask you this. Do you have a Rogue?
Have you played one?
Do you know how it is to play one?
Really, try it.
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' Wrote:when you kill someone dont stay at place "lololo pwn pwn"
I was playing RHA (hessian) in times when we were dead faction (3 active including me) and there were no indie hessians at all... sairs were doing piracy in NB normaly as in sigma 13 (in those times most poluted pirate faction at server), RMs got legends like mjolnir and gronath etc. etc. active and allways online ready to kill us right in Dresden and BH caps pendling from NB to O15 not thru TLs but around Vogtland. Lifetime of unskilled hessian like me after undocking at vogt was under 10 minutes.
I remeber how I was once happy like kid when I had "fair" duel with (I think it was Mjolnir) and I've killed his shields weeee it was for me like "rampage" mesage in system chat:)
Kamnbei, we DON'T pirate in NY, we'd expect to get blitzkreiged out of their and no tears would follow. We don't use "lol" doing so gets my LR- into bloodhounds, we don't use our caps at all often. We RP with every trader that comes by. We operate in our ZOI, tell me, what the hell are we doing wrong? We don't mind having lawfuls respond to our presence, that's n RP, fine and dandy, handshakes all round. But when we log on and get to some piracy only to find half a dozen lawfuls in ships ranging from sensible to preposterous we get no piracy done.
And may I ask how a faction which stands for nothing more than petty crime goes about propaganda? We don't have an ideal, no overriding goal. We exist to provide vice to the masses and rob other folks hard-earned stuff. And we're supposed to do it in Liberty. Not NY, because as previously stated, that is beyond stupid if you want to avoid the law, but Liberty as a whole.
All we ask is for a bit of respect to our faction, or would you prefer us to roll over and die now, whilst we still have the option of some dignity?
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.
The Factionalized LPI only have 1 cap ship, a gunboat, the LPI-Leavenworth. If police are hunting you down in cap ships, it's not us. Only the Chief and 1 other person have access to it, and it is not normally out.
Now I am going to repeat something that was told to me a while back:
There a bad players on both sides of the fence.
Most of the Faction Liberty Rogues, Lane Hackers, and Xenos I come across are very good RPers and tend to RP like a pirate, hit a trader and fade. Now I have seen 1 or two that like to sit in the same spot for 4 hours and pirate. How in the world do you expect to sit in the same spot for 4 hours and not expect to get noticed? (Not directed at Sindroms).
Sindroms is correct, without one, we can't have the other. I know how Sindrom feels. There are times when I don't want to log on my LPI by himself because it becomes everyone kill the cop. I am talking like 5 on 1. Freelancers, Mercs (unlawful) and who ever else feels that I am a easy target. I have even seen some players ally with other players they themselves should be killing, just to come and kill the cop.
I am wondering if it is time for the faction leaders of the Liberty unlawfuls (Hackers, Rogues, xenos, outcasts) and the Liberty Lawfuls (LN, LSF, LPI) to have a pow wow. There has to be a common ground that can be agreed on so everyone can play.
The Faction players can do more to educate the indie players on some fair play. If they have two fighters and you have 5, have a few standby and not engage. I have seen the factioned LPI, LSF, and LN do that. I have seen the LN log off cap ships and switch to fighters to keep it even.
In the end, throwing our hands up and saying things are never gonna change isn't a solution. Yes, NY is a cesspool, its unfriendly for everybody, Lawful and unlawful alike.
Formerly known as LPI Police Chief Hull O'Brien.
Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station
' Wrote:Point is, if you want to operate in core liberty, be ready to hit and run... fast .... before navy caps roll in.
In independent worlds you should not have to worry about navy caps and mostly not even fighters.
Run where? Tell me that. I've been on both sides of the fence. The lawfuls and unlawfuls of Liberty. I currently have a char on each side that I use regularly. The unlawfuls, even if they 'hit and run,' run back to their base to find several, let me repeat that, several indy and factionized capships camping it to kill undockers or pirates coming to it. They can't do anything. Thats one reason my lawful only goes after pirates being an active threat to the Navy or traders. No reason to shove **** down their throat when they are here to play a game.
Going out to the Border Worlds or Independent worlds is not a choice for the Rogues. All Rogue NPCs are in the core Liberty systems. Further, your claim that all traders must travel through houses to get any profit is completely and utterly ridiculous. 90% of the trade on Disco is done by traveling through Sigmas, Taus, and Omegas. Liberty has little trade traffic, and what trade there is comes from Bretonia. Those 2 independent worlds are covered by the Lane Hackers, and will soon have both BAF and LN defending it.
I've found more and more LH players in Bretonia, because we don't spend every waking moment of our day shoving capships down their throat. When we DO fight them, its with fighters and bombers. In Liberty, its Gunboats and Assault Frigates. Thats it. Only the official LN faction uses fighters and bombers, and even then, its a 1:1 ratio of caps to fighters most of the time.
The entire situation is disgusting, and why I spend most of my time in other houses. That is easy for me, since I've done it for a long while and neither of my Liberty characters is important to me or anyone else. However, for others this is not a choice Kambei. Their main characters are in Liberty. They like Liberty. They just don't like the crap going on by the majority of the players in Liberty. And its starting to spread to Rheinland, and I'm hearing echos of the same stuff in the Rheinland Unlawful chat. Telling someone to leave Liberty because some other players are ruining the entire place for the rest of the server is lazy thinking. Rather than telling someone to deal with it, finding a solution is a better use of our time. So if your not going to contribute towards that, you shouldn't be posting here.
I honestly think admins need to do something about the base-camping cap problem. I know the Xenos got, and probably still get hit hard at Ouray. When DW was here, it was about 6 times a day that XA undocked to find 4 Gunships sitting literally 2k or less from the dock points and firing before the XA could move.
Oh Del.... maybe your clan isnt doing piracy in NY but every time I log into my BH docked in NY there is someone "2 milions r dai" mostly between westpoint and Manhattan or at way to Texas... mostly outcasts but rogues too... syndroms said he is speaking for all rogues;)
So you arent doing piracy in NY... ok nice for you, you arent retarded.
Propaganda: isnt only part of politic, intimidation of civilians is propaganda too.
You said it... your faction is just criminal organization what respect than do you want? I agree, send cruiser against few fighters isnt good RP but you must expect swarm of fighters same as in RL. Complaining about being outnumberend by fighters is more funny than serious if that fight wasnt event.
Complains about bountyhunters doing their job (no I dont mean caps) is well hmm how to say it and stay polite... awkward because there is bounty on your rogues and if they decide to attack you, they have right to do it because they want doing their RP too.
Doing "lol"... yes you are doing that. Maybe not in systemchat but I saw it many times before... rogue killed lawful guy and what he did? Surprise... nothing, stayed at same place as before. It is some kind of "lol" because you are showing like big "pwner you are".... being owned in few minutes on same place I call stupidity and in that case deserved end of "lol".