(06-03-2019, 08:54 AM)Markam Wrote: And, based on your using of the ship in Bering, while Bretonia is fighting a war for survival in NL, we have saw fit to file a request to GMs for a restriction to be placed on LN indies from abusing our tech to fight Rheinland unlawfuls.
If you are lucky, it will be a simple "You are only allowed to use this against Gallia" or some-such.
We were not impressed by the Bering use of the tech. BAF specifically did not use Liberty tech in Omega 3.
Do you have a single RP post or interaction to back that up?
Imagine filing for requests for situations you've yet to deal with (or even be aware of at all) in roleplay. Did you know that's metagaming?
Do you know how funny this, and by effect, you, sound?
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(06-03-2019, 08:54 AM)Markam Wrote: And, based on your using of the ship in Bering, while Bretonia is fighting a war for survival in NL, we have saw fit to file a request to GMs for a restriction to be placed on LN indies from abusing our tech to fight Rheinland unlawfuls.
If you are lucky, it will be a simple "You are only allowed to use this against Gallia" or some-such.
We were not impressed by the Bering use of the tech. BAF specifically did not use Liberty tech in Omega 3.
Do you have a single RP post or interaction to back that up?
Imagine filing for requests for situations you've yet to deal with (or even be aware of at all) in roleplay. Did you know that's metagaming?
Do you know how funny this, and by effect, you, sound?
does seem kinda dumb BAF telling LN how to use their own ships. And yes Markam can you tell me how you know the Cambridge was in Bering? What evidence can you provide? How about dealing with this inrp instead of going to the GMs? I mean.. It is convenient your 1ic is also a GM.
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BAF has been using LN tech to shoot criminals, why can't LN? It's not like they're shooting the government of rheinland. Sounds like double standards really.
The cell wasn't supposed to exist. We requested it removed because it was being abused in Bering, contrary to the RP environment we are in now.
We are allowed control of our cells, so is LN, which is why they have removed BAF Indies using ships without permission, which is why Official factions specifically request use of the Dunkirk, and we have always turned it down. Your use of the ship is contrary to our policy.
The issue in Bering is not a RP one, it simply brought the problem to our attention.
(06-03-2019, 11:30 AM)Markam Wrote: The issue in Bering is not a RP one, it simply brought the problem to our attention.
Because you say it isn't, or do you truly believe the BAF/LN 90% tech cell existing for literal years was an oopsie?
I'm saying what I've been told by long standing members of BAF. The cell was carried over when Indie and Official IDs were split. Thus far, Indies who use our caps, and Indies who use LN caps as BAF, have been told not to.
We tried to tell the OP not to, not without more RP than a single post and zero contact with BAF prior to making it. He ignored us, and raised our attention (re: Bering), and we decided to correct the age old error by requesting staff give it attention.
It's in their hands now. And no, I and Steiner are not voting.
I feel like there was a thing factions could do to deal with illegal use of tech, something done in roleplay that doesn't effect everyone else.
It's almost like..
It's..
Oh here it is.
Quote:Faction Right 4. Official player factions have the right to bounty or attack any player who is using their technology without the faction ID or permission from the official faction, regardless of their diplomacy toward the faction of the ship in question. In case of IDs with multiple official factions, gaining permission from one of the official factions would suffice, and once a technology is granted by one official faction, the other official factions should treat it as approved technology as well. In this case, factions are advised to keep a public record of their approved technologies for the purpose of better coordination with other official groups of their ID.
Faction Right 5. Official player factions may request that the reputation of a player's ship be changed to hostile with respect to their NPC faction. These requests must be posted within the Violation Reports subforum, and include link(s) to valid forum roleplay, as well as actual interaction between the character and the official faction. In case of IDs with multiple official factions, this right can only be used if it has support of every official faction of the ID, but in case of disagreement between the factions involved, they can post an appeal to the Game Masters to review the situation and come to a decision.
Groups that have been subject to the use of FR5 by another faction, may treat this faction as hostile targets, except for transports, within their Zone of Influence.
This new rush by various groups to have the staff enforce your will instead of doing so ingame and within your roleplay rights is disgusting and you should be ashamed for it.
(06-03-2019, 08:54 AM)Markam Wrote: We were not impressed by the Bering use of the tech. BAF specifically did not use Liberty tech in Omega 3.
Nice joke. You brought every cap in your arsenal to try and roll over the RHA, to no avail of course. You also shot IMG in the process. 5th was not happy (sort of like you now) and you didn’t care about what they had to say. The situation paved way for you to act all high and mighty. But on the flipside it’s not so much.
Both of you are using each others tech to shoot a rheinland unlawful faction. Stop being like core.
The thread has devolved into mud throwing at this point, but I will continue to provide answers if you insist on continuing.
Quote:This new rush by various groups to have the staff enforce your will instead of doing so ingame and within your roleplay rights is disgusting and you should be ashamed for it.
We submitted the request because this applies to all users of the cell, rather than FR5 every single player who ups and uses them. We took a long term approach rather than taking down everyone who uses our tech without mercy. We tried to engage with Kalh despite the fact he made no attempt to contact us prior to penning the RP. Our feedback was not met very positively either. Seeing him using it in Bering (yes, oorply) triggered the decision that we needed to sort this out once and for all. Again, I must restate that we do not believe LN indies should use our caps (Dunkirk specifically) at 90%, especially when we have denied both [LN] and 5th| (recently in-fact).
You are suggesting we shut him down without mercy, the staff may provide an alternative solution that could work for him. I do not think you have the right to demand we use faction rights, do you?
Quote:Nice joke. You brought every cap in your arsenal to try and roll over the RHA, to no avail of course.
This was picked up on by more than just you, but you were the latest so sorry, you are getting quoted. While I don't get to join every attack due to time zone and real life commitments, the ones I joined we did not use the 3 BC's mentioned previously. To my knowledge, we specifically, upon request by the 5th|, ordered no LN caps be used. As for those ships, firstly, one is [SIS] and not BAF, so no comment, secondly, there may have been confusion as to whether the LLBC is LN tech anymore, but I agree that is flimsy justification, so I agree they should not have taken part. I am sure some will argue that point either way.
It was not sanctioned, not recommended, not suggested. I would have stopped it if I were online.
Here is the answers, though I am not sure if answers are what you are seeking by posting in this thread. At least Kalh can benefit from them.
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I was gonna stay out of all this until the hot takes about tech-cells and things we have and haven't done came up.
Markam, if BAF| didn't want BAF tech to be used against Unioners in Bering, then why did they approve =LSF= to use Challengers when we specifically told them we'd use them in Bering, against Unioners and Harmony?
The [LN]-LNS-North.Bridge, a Churchill from the original lend-lease, also took part. If we're going off of that, I suppose [LN] is breaking the treaty, as well. Despite the fact that the terms of the tech exchange that our cells is based off of specifically states:
Quote:There is only one request which our board would like to state about the usage of our ships. If its possible do not send them against Rheinland Forces unless their involvement is critical.
Last I checked, Unioners aren't Rheinland Forces yet. If Bretonia wishes to see them that way and chase down Liberty for using them, then let's do that inRP.
And, just a small correction, but, as far as I'm aware, the [LN] hasn't asked for a Dunkirk since before 2014. Not sure on that one because Disco's forum search has always been horrendous.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a massive fan of the Dunkirk RP either, but this is a little silly. If we need to break the last five years of how we've actually dealt with these problems to just remove indie cap cells, well, I suppose we can reciprocate just to make it even and fair. Not that it matters, since Bretonia already has a carbon copy of the only ship we have that matters, but y'know.