The real problem I see with being friendly with the unlawfuls in Bretonia and Kusari. The thing is that they have all kinda already taken sides in the conflict. The FA, Hogosha, Gaians, siding with Kusari, and the Mollies and GCm and to some extent the Outcasts, siding with the Bretonians. The Blood Dragons dont actively partake, but will attack Bretonian forces in Kusari just as much as Kusari forces in Kusari. The question is, why would any of these groups would change their allegiance at this point.
Hogosha - doubtful, they basically control smuggling in Kusari with the exception of Cardimine. As such, they now pretty much control smuggling in the Taus, with the exception again of Cardimine. Why would they want to give that up?
Farmers Alliance - verydoubtful. The Farmers are loyal Kusari citizens and backers of Samura, who is looking forward greatly to increased production from the newly Kusari controlled Taus.
Gaians - Maybe, but Kusari gives them a good amount of help in thier own fight, and has been a loyal ally of the Farmers and the Hogosha.
Mollies - I doubt they would care at all about you, as they dont really care much about anything beside Independence for Dublin and attacking corsairs.
GC - Are pretty much in bed with Bretonia at this point, I hear those Privateers love their GC girls.
Outcasts - Again maybe, but throwing your lot in with the Outcasts gives you a whole new set of diplomatic hurdles to get threw.
Blood Dragons - Dont really care about the Taus, except that when they overthrow the Shogunate.
So maybe a vigilante ID, and only use the Freeports and civilian kit.
' Wrote:The real problem I see with being friendly with the unlawfuls in Bretonia and Kusari. The thing is that they have all kinda already taken sides in the conflict. The FA, Hogosha, Gaians, siding with Kusari, and the Mollies and GCm and to some extent the Outcasts, siding with the Bretonians. The Blood Dragons dont actively partake, but will attack Bretonian forces in Kusari just as much as Kusari forces in Kusari. The question is, why would any of these groups would change their allegiance at this point.
Hogosha - doubtful, they basically control smuggling in Kusari with the exception of Cardimine. As such, they now pretty much control smuggling in the Taus, with the exception again of Cardimine. Why would they want to give that up?
Farmers Alliance - verydoubtful. The Farmers are loyal Kusari citizens and backers of Samura, who is looking forward greatly to increased production from the newly Kusari controlled Taus.
Gaians - Maybe, but Kusari gives them a good amount of help in thier own fight, and has been a loyal ally of the Farmers and the Hogosha.
Mollies - I doubt they would care at all about you, as they dont really care much about anything beside Independence for Dublin and attacking corsairs.
GC - Are pretty much in bed with Bretonia at this point, I hear those Privateers love their GC girls.
Outcasts - Again maybe, but throwing your lot in with the Outcasts gives you a whole new set of diplomatic hurdles to get threw.
Blood Dragons - Dont really care about the Taus, except that when they overthrow the Shogunate.
So maybe a vigilante ID, and only use the Freeports and civilian kit.
Well to be fair, almost to an extent. We would allow Samura to come in. Like I said about smuggling. No contraband. Free is free. And the Taus? Are free. Just easier to set up a government if you can do what you like. Like anarchy to a certain extent. Also maybe to persuade the Farmers alliance, we would ban Synth Foods from the area.
We're not enemies of Bretonia and Kursari exactly... as soon as we would capture the Taus we would stop hostilities.
The only other thing I'll have to ponder is the GC.
Otherwise, I think a vigilante ID would work great if there isn't a military one out their. My reason for sticking to the military ID is because you can't really
Edit: I wanted to use the Old BHG gunboat, because they are being put out of service and cheap. From the IA's point of view, hell if it works throw it into battle!
I do see a problem with using Zoner bases. That is too obvious of a location and if you create problems for the Kusari and Bretonian governments the KNF or BAF would smash the whole Freeport to be rid of you. The Zoners wouldn't really be able to complain since they allowed someone who is clearly not neutral and was using a FP for a military base of a sort.
I really doubt they would allow you to base on Freeports.
Claims that you're not an enemy of Bretonia or Kusari are really not going to work in practice. The Kusari have captured much of Tau and annexed Leeds. They're not going to give it up to Bretonia and are certainly not about to give it up to a group of rebels, so you would be at war with them indefinitely.
As for Bretonia, they have fought tooth and nail to defend their possession of Tau 31 from Kusari, and now just as Harris is the last position holding out, you declare it is independent, and pose yet another challenge to them? They would not be best pleased.
Your best bet would be if Bretonia sided with you to fight off Kusari and only then betrayed you to seize Tau for itself, but even that is unlikely to happen. You would probably have to be prepared to face indefinite war with both Houses, and they would keep fighting even after being forced out of Tau, even if you wouldn't.
Well, either that or you "succeed" and then become a puppet state of one of the two houses.....that might work inRP....but total victory over the two Houses seems unlikely, unless circumstances change drastically in Tau.
At present, my fear is that we already have too many factions claiming sovereignty over Tau without adding to the problems. The poor IMG is struggling already with the impossibility of present diplomacy, without making it worse.
This might work, but it would need planning extremely carefully and with considerably more specific details on who exactly these people are (IMG / Zoner are the only real citizens of Tau. BAF / KNF deserters seems implausible as most of them would be native to their Houses, not Tau) and what exactly they are fighting for than is present at the moment.
When it comes to your shiplist, I'd strongly suggest the use of the Zoner or IMG GB in place of the BHG one, and would suggest adding the RT and civvie line as well.
EDIT: I'd strongly suggest acknowledging Bretonian claims to Harris, as well.
EDIT 2:
' Wrote:I do see a problem with using Zoner bases. That is too obvious of a location and if you create problems for the Kusari and Bretonian governments the KNF or BAF would smash the whole Freeport to be rid of you. The Zoners wouldn't really be able to complain since they allowed someone who is clearly not neutral and was using a FP for a military base of a sort.
I really doubt they would allow you to base on Freeports.
Freeport 10 might be a possibility. It's so remote that neither house should even know of its existence, let alone its location.
I don't have an issue if Bretonia claims Planet Harris and uses it for a base/embassy. We'll respect that.
As far as more players,
I'm going to say Zoners afraid that the imperialistic compulsions of either nation may lead them to drive and conquer the Taus, therefor losing their claim of space.
Could also work for people of the IMG.
Sympathizers.
I guess that the IMG or Zoner GB would work, but the idea with the BHG gunboat is that it's cheap and being phased out by the orca. But, those are two good ideas.
I don't think the Raven Talon should, because it's just too widespread I feel. Always seemed like there should only be a couple in RP. Besides Charon VHF and Kadesh HF are cheaper.
I'm leaning more towards the Zoner ID come to think of it. But, I'll still be focusing on getting that Military ID.
Also, I think that I should change the goal to get the other nations out the Taus, rather than jump to claims of an independent nation. Ideally, that is what we want, however I think that might clear some things up.
I think it would be interesting, as you said Bretonia would help us defeat Kursari, then turn around and crush us. What about Gallia as an ally? Though I don't think the admins would want the RP of the Gallic forces yet, seeing as they can't really leave. And to get knee-deep in the conflict would sour their reputation. So no as I see it.
' Wrote:I don't have an issue if Bretonia claims Planet Harris and uses it for a base/embassy. We'll respect that.
I say respect claims to stations, but likely not to space.
' Wrote:As far as more players,
I'm going to say Zoners afraid that the imperialistic compulsions of either nation may lead them to drive and conquer the Taus, therefor losing their claim of space.
Could also work for people of the IMG.
Sympathizers.
Possibly a joint IMG/Zoner mission, made up of individuals from both sides working to secure peace and prosperity/unity for the Taus?
' Wrote:I guess that the IMG or Zoner GB would work, but the idea with the BHG gunboat is that it's cheap and being phased out by the orca. But, those are two good ideas.
I don't think the Raven Talon should, because it's just too widespread I feel. Always seemed like there should only be a couple in RP. Besides Charon VHF and Kadesh HF are cheaper.
Exactly why the Raven's Talon could be used. It's a fairly common ship, and easy to get your hands on. I'd say add eagle to the list as well. They're useful ships, and so readily available that I don't see why you wouldn't use them.
' Wrote:I'm leaning more towards the Zoner ID come to think of it. But, I'll still be focusing on getting that Military ID.
THat'd work fairly well. That or a Vigilante, I think.
' Wrote:Also, I think that I should change the goal to get the other nations out the Taus, rather than jump to claims of an independent nation. Ideally, that is what we want, however I think that might clear some things up.
I think it would be interesting, as you said Bretonia would help us defeat Kursari, then turn around and crush us. What about Gallia as an ally? Though I don't think the admins would want the RP of the Gallic forces yet, seeing as they can't really leave. And to get knee-deep in the conflict would sour their reputation. So no as I see it.
Go for peace first, then for freedom from interference, then for sovereignty. As to Gallia... don't expect much help from them. They're embroiled in their own conflict, and neither side is likely to help anyone. You probably won't get any help from anyone other than the Zoners and the IMG.
' Wrote:For many years the Tau's have been ravaged by a bloody battle between Bretonia and Kursari. Many men have gone into battle to only have their sons be recruited by both sides. For years families have been torn apart.
"Kusari," not "Kursari."
Quote:It wasn't until the cataclysmic events of the war civilians became disheveled about the role of either of the empires.
I think you're going for "disillusioned" here. "Disheveled" means your shirt is untucked or your pants have holes in them.
Quote:They had both expended lives and precious resources in effort to take the same batch of land. This war frightened many civilians of the Tau's because they had all heard stories of the sleeper ships; why we had left. In in their eyes, it was happening all to fast- in their eyes.
The only civlians living in the Taus are either IMG, CR or Bretonian civilians working for BMM. Each has its own security forces. This is part of what's missing here - a native population, not otherwise engaged or protected, that is clamoring for independence.
Quote:The transparency of the Tau Republic would be to allow any corporation that wants to invest in the well-being of the economy then they would be allowed. Example, CR, IMG, BMM are all allowed.
You refer to IMG (and here, CR) as a corporation more than once. It is not merely a company, and between this and other things said in this thread, I suggest you carefully read its faction profile on the faction status thread. It's not clear to me that you understand exactly what's going on there.
What others have said is pretty right on. You have almost no options regarding bases or staging areas. Zoners would be crazy to let you stage operations off of freeports. As has already been alluded to, IMG won't ally with you or allow you on their bases because of pressure from Bretonia. CR probably won't care for you because of their current relations with Kusari, and because you're a potential threat to their own aims. You'd be a pariah, and I doubt that's needed for gameplay in the Taus right now.
Don't mean to sound overly harsh - the purpose for being of this faction just doesn't make sense to me as it is.
Actually, a Corsair-allied faction might fit the bill pretty well, as Sovereign mentioned. You couldn't actually make it a Corsair-tagged faction because of ZOI issues, but it should help the diplomacy some.
As for dealing with IMG... they hate a lot of guys. I'd say leave it up to them if they want to consider themselves hostile to you. My guess is that they'll tolerate your faction so long as you don't interrupt their operations or smuggle.
And regarding bases, remember that there is a completely independent base (Barrier Gate Station) just two systems away from the Taus. If you don't actively hunt down Outcasts, which it sounds like you won't, the Barrier Gate Station shouldn't have any problem with you basing there. You would just need to work with the TAZ to get their permission to travel through Baffin, and as a near-anarchist group, they might agree to a deal with your group.
Regarding faction alignment, it is true that the Zoners as a whole would most likely not affiliate themselves (at least officially) with such a radical group, although some radical Zoners might sympathize or even join the cause. I suggest that you simply use a Freelancer IFF and ID, which frees you from a lot of the diplomatic entanglements of making it a Zoner or IMG faction. Freelancer IFF is quite easy to get these days anyways, although no IFF works as well if you're not going for an official faction. If you do this, you can definitely count on my Freelancer Eagle being on board. He's somewhat homeless at the moment, and it would be great fun to join a faction bent on anarchy (or something close to it).