Judging by the fact that you don't have an arpee premise or even a backstory (!), this strikes me as being a brazen and unmistakeable attempt to form a faction for the sake of participating in being in charge of an official group, rather than for the purpose of furthering an innovative roleplay concept. Proving me wrong would be a good first step.
' Wrote:Judging by the fact that you don't have an arpee premise or even a backstory (!), this strikes me as being a brazen and unmistakeable attempt to form a faction for the sake of participating in being in charge of an official group, rather than for the purpose of furthering an innovative roleplay concept. Proving me wrong would be a good first step.
Quote:I havent read through this whole thread but I would like to warn you about one thing concerning the back story. I believe one of the reasons official factions wont be allowed in Gallia until .86 is that a lot more cannon RP for Gallia will be released in .86 . If that cannon contradicts any backstory you develop right now then that back story will be useless. If still do want to develop a backstory I recommend that you dont develop it in too much detail, as the more detail you have the more likely something will be introduced in ,86 that will contradict it and make it OORP.
Does that help at all Zig?
Be kinder than necessary, because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
J.M. Barrie
No; in fact, it further validates what I say. The person you're quoting is arguing that any arpee premise you've already developed may be rendered useless once 4.86 has rolled around. However, given that you haven't, in fact, developed any arpee premise whatsoever, not even one conforming to 4.85 knowledge of Gallia and Gallic organizations, that argument becomes a moot point. In my opinion, this highlights my issue with "Les Vampirs" very well - tazuras' statement rests on the very fundamental premise that you already have some roleplay going, whereas you, interestingly enough, actually don't. Your Gallic Brigands group already exists and is present on the server, which leads us to one of two conclusions - one, that you're roleplaying ingame, in which case you should be in possession of a background concept (regardless of whether it'll remain practical for 4.86 use or not - this organization is active here and now, during 4.85) or two, which seems to be the apparent option based on your faction doc here, that you're not, which means that you have absolutely nothing creative happening at all.
"low life pirate scum - similar to the liberty rogues" doesn't hold water with me. Investigate the LR a little for some inspiration, why don't you? I'm afraid that criminal factions, no matter how "low life" they may be, aren't exempt from the same high roleplay standards everyone else is held to.
' Wrote:I think that the reason Diablo started this thread in the first place was to get ideas for this faction, including RP ideas. Do you actually have any, or are you just going to sit there whining about how the thread should be locked?
...sorry. I'm short on sleep.
How am I whining? Did I ever request a lock for this thread? I'm pointing out that you're proposing a faction presenting no roleplay whatsoever on the Discovery RP 24/7 server. That's (exactly) what I see based on your faction doc. No more, no less. In fact, you're not even protesting that. However, it's not me that's interested in making this Gallic Brigands group official, it's you; therefore, it certainly isn't my job to give you an idea for the single most fundamental aspect to any faction, its arpee premise.
Alright. Sorry. I really can't answer you, only Diablo can do that.
EDIT: A point I made earlier that pertains to this. Don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.
Quote:Diablo, one thing that troubles me is that Les-Vampirs are right now described as extremely...ruthless. Yet there is precedent for a player faction to be more idealized while the NPCs represent common officersne soldiers/petty crooks. A good example of this is Nature's Last Hope. It says in the Gallic Brigands faction description that there is this romaticized image of them being like French Robin Hoods, basically. Yet we seem to have gone off in the other direction...
Be kinder than necessary, because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
J.M. Barrie
Zig Wrote:Judging by the fact that you don't have an arpee premise or even a backstory (!), this strikes me as being a brazen and unmistakeable attempt to form a faction for the sake of participating in being in charge of an official group, rather than for the purpose of furthering an innovative roleplay concept. Proving me wrong would be a good first step.
Title Wrote:Les Vampirs Pre-Faction Proposal for 4.86?, Need tips and Ideas on how I should go about it.
Literacy.
Magnificent, isn't it?
I gots me a doctor's appointment, but I'll come back later on the matter of cruisers. Just wanted to point out that this ISN'T a faction proposal to Zig by his statement,
Quote:... this strikes me as being a brazen and unmistakeable attempt to form a faction for the sake of participating in being in charge of an official group...
I gots me a doctor's appointment, but I'll come back later on the matter of cruisers. Just wanted to point out that this ISN'T a faction proposal to Zig by his statement,
Quote:Les Vampirs Pre-Faction Proposal for 4.86?
Gee, Faction Proposal. How odd. Clearly, this quote doesn't imply in any way that making Les Vampirs a faction is in any way on the table. Boy, thanks for clearing me up on that, Megiddo! I don't know where I'd be without you.
Quote:Need tips and Ideas on how I should go about it.
I chose to interpret this as meaning "how I should go about making Les Vampirs official" rather than "how I should go about laying fundamental arpee groundwork that ought to be a given by this point in time".
' Wrote:I chose to interpret this as meaning "how I should go about making Les Vampirs official" rather than "how I should go about laying fundamental arpee groundwork that ought to be a given by this point in time".
This point in time? Which point in time is that?
You do realize we're still working on 4.85, right? 4.86 is a long ways off.
Be kinder than necessary, because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
J.M. Barrie
' Wrote://Now what i need help with is ideas for a background story to Les Vampirs how they formed and how they got to where they are now!, all hints on the Limitations of Les Vampirs as in ZOI and Actions as well as Faction Diplomacy. Reason why I ask for help is because the Last time I did a faction pre-proposal I did so without asking for help and it got Shot to pieces//
Thanks looking forward to you replies
Diablo Out.....
' Wrote:Gee, Faction Proposal. How odd. Clearly, this quote doesn't imply in any way that making Les Vampirs a faction is in any way on the table. Boy, thanks for clearing me up on that, Megiddo! I don't know where I'd be without you.
I chose to interpret this as meaning "how I should go about making Les Vampirs official" rather than "how I should go about laying fundamental arpee groundwork that ought to be a given by this point in time".
These are the two quotes I'm looking at. I think Blackwidow should have come up with his own backstory for Les Vampirs but let the PEOPLE in the ZOI decide how agressive Les Vampirs are going to be. My vote is for ruthless pirates.
Zig, it says "Faction Proposal" because he wants to make Les Vampirs a Faction. Right now that is the impossible because Gallia hasn't been released. So it must be "PRE-Faction Proposal" You can't look at only part of what he's actually saying. Blackwidow is asking for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM on how he wants his basic faction to look. He's not asking you to "lay the fundamental arpee groundwork" I believe he wanted people to SUGGEST what they want. Not BUILD the faction. All you've done is derail the actual message of Blackwidow's original post. You've been part of the cause to an argument that doesn't help anything and from what I can tell the only argument you had was your interpretation of the message. Try to be part of the solution not a problem.
You've said only ONE thing that Blackwidow actually asked for (*Last Thing I Quoted*) So I'll thank you for your few words of progress.
' Wrote:"low life pirate scum - similar to the liberty rogues" doesn't hold water with me. Investigate the LR a little for some inspiration, why don't you? I'm afraid that criminal factions, no matter how "low life" they may be, aren't exempt from the same high roleplay standards everyone else is held to.
Low life pirate scum? I do believe I've called the GRN worse. How about Ruthless Spacebuckling Pirates? I fly with the {Les~Vampirs} tag and I would hardly consider the work we've done against the Gallic Royals to be low lifed. How does the fight against the gallic royals rule considered low lifed? Sounds more honorable revolutionaries. But how "honorable" it will be would be decided by the winner of the war.
Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell 'em I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found serenity
But you can't take the sky from me