' Wrote:oh just think what would happen if a bunch of Pirate trans showed up,abd poof,there goes a barge.
You're missing the point. The barge isn't for common trading, and presumably one would slap on a volume of escorts that would make the pope feel lonely to a ship of that magnitude.
' Wrote:Now RP how that thing would be back in space 5 minutes later. Also think oof all the yelling when it loose all that cargo.
Rp how ALL destroyed ships are immediately space worthy after getting destroyed.
' Wrote:Also think oof all the yelling when it loose all that cargo.
If you're dumb enough to hold anything of value in massive amounts in a flying deathtrap, then Darwin dictates that we let you die. Also, not all of us are whiney children.
' Wrote:Last since it cannot land on planets just think of all the F1 reports.
Most likely, if you're flying a barge - you probably know your way around the server. Also, since very few will ever actually fly around in barges (probably the early sign of a masochist), "all the F1 reports" won't amount to very many - unless of course... you have incredibly zealous repeat offenders in which case they won't be possessing a barge for very long. Also, barges can dock on planets with no problem, it's the undocking that might result in the spontaneous destruction of both your ship and the homes of those your wreckage hits planetside.
i mean think of the awesome rp oppurtunitys that the barge would give the official factions
the barge could be carrying a huge load of alien artifacts or cardamine
i mean infact the cardamien using official player factions like hellfire coudl use the barge as a "strategic cardamine reserve" just like the united states "strategic oil reserve"
same thing goes for other commoditys.....we will need this eventually
' Wrote:Dropping from the 3rd-story dorm room I'm in would be painful.
I don't want this barge to exist inRP. No one would see it except for VR coming to get materials, or RP items out of it. Like I said, a broom closet full of shipped materials would do much better.
I'd RP that Kishiro built these advanced miners (barges), afterall wouldn't they fit as suitable builders who have surpassed standard station building?
I'm not kidding heheh, I had sersiously considered starting this with the first barge request and calling it Glorious heheh. Our current mining platforms are Kishiro made and essentially mobile in a limited way. One of these would be a bigger more mobile one of the same tech made by the same group. Just waiting to see if Friday's fuel extraction idea is used or not.
' Wrote:when a faction cannot build capital warships of a certain size - building something even larger should be outright impossible. - the larger something is, the more complex the frame and integrity has to be - and only few factions have mastered that.
Yet, any faction on this server that has 500m can obtain one rather easily. On top of that so can any individual that has 500m.
Point is moot.
' Wrote:oh just think what would happen if a bunch of Pirate trans showed up,abd poof,there goes a barge.Now RP how that thing would be back in space 5 minutes later. Also think oof all the yelling when it loose all that cargo. Last since it cannot land on planets just think of all the F1 reports.
How do you RP that a cap ship, transport, or fighter/bomber are back in space 5 minutes later after they get pop'd? Same way you RP that the barge is back.
Point is moot.
As for F1 reports? They will increase if idiots buy the ship and think they can trade in it.
Valid point. If it goes FFA I think a clear and bold warning to the purchaser that the ship is basically a storage depot must be included.
' Wrote:the barge is meant to be SRP - really, its a totally unbalanced ship
when i made it, it was meant to be one - maybe 2 of a kind on the entire server - the ship is made to reflect that. - it would look and be different if it was less restrictive. - and its also no trophy ! - its a special ROLEPLAY ship - and very VERY few people require such a ship for their roleplay - just as few as AIs need to fly a core AI ship. etc.
I've only seen a few barges actually RP'd. Most of them from what I can tell are just storage dumps for RP items, pirate loot, etc etc. They are used in this way because factions don't have any other way to store their candy.
Point is moot since most of them aren't actually role played and simply used as storage depots.
Disclaimer: The above opinions are just that, my opinions.
I think putting them on FFA is fine and there isn't a need to increase the price. Just be sure to somehow give the purchaser a warning as to the short comings of the ship. Perhaps at the top part of the info card put an OOC warning.
if those that SRP it actually do not roleplay it ( meaning - active RP and not a storage thats quick-logged out once red comes into scanner range ) - the "barge" could have been a grey cube.
if someone doesn t RP it - it should be taken away from that person - easy as that. - like i said, its not supposed to be some funny reward / price you keep on a shelve - its a tool for roleplay.
and quite frankly - who needs so many RP items? - i mean... honestly !
you really need to RP keeping 50.000 units of whatever on a ship that you cannot RP with another supertransport and 5000 units?
anyway - won t change your opinions - all i can say is - the barge was meant to be an active RP / event ship. its not meant to be a passive storage room, cause for that, we could have modified a special starflier ( like several hours less work ) - cause all i d have to do is - give the special starflier a different ID and a storage of 50k ( takes around 5 seconds to do that )
personally, i have never come across the "requirement" to store more than a few units of anything for RP purpose. - cause in RP - "supertransports" ( yes, the 5k things ) are about the biggest things you get - and in RP - large enough to supply entire cities. - after all NPC convoys consist of only "transports" and sometimes "large transports" ( unless in rheinland, where they do fly the train )
"Yet, any faction on this server that has 500m can obtain one rather easily. On top of that so can any individual that has 500m.
Point is moot." (cross)
no moot point - what was stated was the intention about the barge - you know, the reason it exists - sometimes reasons are perverted, sometimes plans don t survive practice. - i m not sure how "easily" it is to get a barge - and use it for storage only. but if it is - there d be something wrong - from my point of view.
' Wrote:and quite frankly - who needs so many RP items? - i mean... honestly !
Such as a faction that recieves cargo shipments in numbers of 5000-10000, pirates for construction materials, and relies on the previous two to allow construction *and* fueling?:rolleyes:
More and more i think it wouldn't be that bad idea to make it kinda FFA - but i think theres a need for another pure-storage-Starflier then, so factions won't missuse this nice ship as a simple storage locker.
Really - the more i think about this thematic, the more i want to RP a Barge... honestly.
Hey Agmen - i already got an allowance for a stationary Trading Center - wanna give me another for a moving Barge?
I can handle it:D