While I believe that there is no chance or reason for cloacking to be implemented, I heartily dissagree with the sort of stance displayed here.
While it may be information used for cheating, I believe for it to work, one would have to hack the server, or everyone's mod release. (unlikely/impossible) Telling Box how it works, along with a discussion about why it isn't going to be implemented, is not an unhealthy discussion for the community. While it may be tiresome for people who have already participated in a hundred of these discussions, it is disturbing that so many of us would react so poorly to a simple question. Indeed, such restrictions on the flow of knowledge is holding the freelancer mods back, and may eventually kill this community. I saw servers with 160 members years ago, and the technology had to be rediscovered for our server. Questions like this, and others, are intregal parts of the free flow of information that will keep this society of mods alive.
' Wrote:No, it is never a good solution. If you are a good dodger, you can escape most people anyway.
Imagine the pvpwhores who would use it.
John Smith flies along in his new Guardian VHF. Oh what's the strange radar signal?
Oh no! It's a battles- *John Smith has died*
Ambushes are possible from sensor-deprived areas, ALL asteroid fields/debris etc should have sensor reduction. Then you can ambush from them / within them.
Yeah. It would be cool to have cloaking, but it'd probably just be too abusable. PvP-whores would go nuts over it, we'd get a system full of invisible battleships.
As for the sensor reduction, do fields already have that for detecting other players? Because I don't think that they do. It would be nice if they did, though. Like, lets say you're in the badlands, and you're cruising along, and then, "Oh no, something disrupted my cruise! What was it? Rogues?! But I didn't pick them up on my scanners!!" I'm pretty certain that you detect people in clouds at 14k as usual, anyways, so it'd be nice to add that.
I believe you are talking about an FLhook mod, it was activated with /cloak, and deactivated with /decloak. The mod was SERVER SIDE. The cloak also could not be used if the player didn't have a specific item onboard, a fighter cloak. When you undocked, the cloak would disable, it didnt look too pretty to say the least... Weapons did not work while cloaked, and NPC's did not see you...Not sure about other players however.
EDIT: it also replaced a key file, and it would not work well with discovery anyways... I know. I tried to host a server with both mods running....
While being quite funny, your sig was the biggest one i've ever seen so far. No more than 700x250 please. ~utrack http://pastebin.com/SYQXBufs
*imagines a few PvP whores in Osiris battleships killing everything in their way*
*imagines a fleet battle.. ah, Liberty almost won! Woohoo!.. oh what the h-.. <<Liberty Fleet has been obliterated by an Osiris>>*
Well, if the cloak would be like cruise engines (you can't use guns), you could basically run around. That'd be all. So, no pwnzor Osirises through NY:)
You could see the ship on the radar, you could fire at it... you just won't see it with the naked eye. That's why I said that you can't abuse something that gives you no real advantage in a battle. It would just look cool...:)
It'd be important for RP, but that pretty much would do it;)
Cloackin isnt going to be implemented cause it wasnt ment to be in freelancer. Just during the movie in SP was it seen. Then again that's a movie which really meens it doesnt exist. Freelancer was to lazy to implement a cloaking devise cause they didnt see the potential the game has.
EDITED: As for an elite Osiris obliterating a liberty fleet....thats been done....BY ME! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Well I did have my own fleet with me during that attack but still I did it! Tenabras the demon Order Guard ship..((Which is still stuck on my old hard drive! ))
I love how, if he used it with a mod, he would crash the server, and we would be out for blood when the server comes back, and the fact that he simply can get in Crossfire 1.7. Which will conflict with the discovery mod.
i know there r many good reason for not having cloak and i understand but couldnt they make new ships that could cloak instead of a device that can cloak any ship. and let that ship be like a bomber kind of ship like if any of u have played eve they have a ship that doesnt have much firepower to do much dmg. we could have one that doesnt have guns (or limited amount) and only torps for cap ships. to less the effect of pvp whores using it. it could be more of a hit and run ship or they could give them only cruise distrupters for more of a electric welfare kind of ship.
I know ill probably get bashed for this post cause it seems anyone who brings up cloak ppl freak out. im just saying look at other games and see how its implanted in those games such as eve and see how they could use it in this game. i think this could help in rp when frations go to war and if done right could help keep ppl interested and bring new ppl to the game.
While it's been stated that cloaks will never exist in this mod... I did have an idea spring up today for an unconventional cloak.
I dont know if it's possible or not without changing the game's source code - but could some kind of 'scanner jamming' cloak be put in? Something that removes you from the scanner contacts list of other players around, maybe temporarily removes your IFF or even your name?
Either that, or - as was stated previously - a cloak that prevents you from using weapons or cruise engines, but to go a step further... have the cloaking device as an item that has to be equipped in a valuable hardpoint.
For example, the cloaking device could be equipped where your countermeasure dropper usually is - with a cloaking device equipped, you'd have no CM's, no way to avoid cruise disruptors or missiles. Or maybe give certain ship types a class 1 shield hardpoint where the device is equipped, to regulate what ships can use it and what ships cant - more advanced battleships (like the osiris and maybe the liberty dreadnaught or carrier) could equip it, and smaller, stealthier looking ships (a small number of gunboats/bombers) would be able to as well.
Just a thought - my character's future zoner gunboat has it's RP/story based entirely on a stealth system that allows it to perform surveillance and recon missions without being detected. Right now, there's no real way to enact that in the game other than saying "cloak activated" in systems chat, and even then 90% of the people I encounter will just ignore it and shoot at me anyways.
I have a cloaking mod, Its rather fun from time to time go get your Valkyrie and sing James Bond while cruising around... Dun dun dun dun da na na!
*ahem*
From what I get this thread is for now "How would cloaking be balanced"
While Cloaked you can't fire. The guns are locked like in cruise.
When you uncloak your energy will be depleted to 0, Or maybe while cloaked your energy drains. Perhaps even a time as Hamburg has (100 seconds) to cloaking.
SPECIFIC Ships can do it... For example Nomad Fighters have a special weapon slot that they toggle on/off.
A possible List
Nomad Stuff
The Osiris
Stealth-Op ships?
No Doubt the Order has Sensors for Cloaking...
A Special Sensor specifically designed to detect Cloaked Ships(Its possible, My Cloaking Mod had a specific frequency of cloak, allowing us to see eachother)
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idk if its just me but i think that the bs and all other cap ships wouldnt really need it. i just think they have no need for it rly. i think it should be for more smaller ships so it wouldnt give a single person a upper hand. make it so it will have to be a group of ppl so it will add to the coroperating of ppl. and make it so it drains power of the ship and a waiting time that it takes to reactivate the cloak. make it a hard thing to use but once one masters it, it will become very usefull