Quote:Axe, if what you're getting at is that people who are sanctioned should discuss it via PMs with the Admin who posted the sanction, then I couldn't disagree more. I completely refuse to do any such thing. To get sanctioned you have to do something publicly on the server, and the punishment, explanation, and any arguments about it should all be public as well. That way other people can learn from what is going on. I won't even acknowledge anything someone PMs me about a sanction, it just gets deleted. If they have something to say, they should say it publicly.
Thats overly uncompromising Xoria, and I believe that if you are inflexible in the management of people, that is a crucial flaw. I dont think Axe was asking for the system to be changed since I was the one who brought it up. So many people complain about a system or a problem but dont provide an alternative to be considered for implementation.
Quote:The other problem with PMs is that only the Admin receiving the PM has the information in it. Post it in the sanction thread and any Admin can know what is going on easily. Communication is hard enough with all of us in vastly different time zones. If multiple things are being dealt with privately then we'll have total chaos.
That problem could be solved by all the admins using a single admin account, like some factions have started to do. I think TBH has one called "Brotherhood Elders" and I know a few others exist. Even current information flows have slight problems, and this could be a step taken to reduce such inconsistancies. Of course, the PM bucket might need to be a tad larger than 100, perhaps 300 or so. I also know that multiple people can be logged into an account at the same time.
Perhaps it could be done like this:
Quote:[Player] has been sanctioned owing to a report posted on the day/month/year for:
Quote:6.2 Out of Roleplay (OORP):
In-game tag seen before the name must match the ID as closely as possible. It is not allowed to have the tag not match ID category. For example, it is prohibited to have 'Police' tag and 'Pirate' ID.
Equipment used must match tag and ID as closely as possible. For example, it is not allowed for Corsairs to use Outcast ships and guns.
All reputations should be in accordance with the faction followed, all enemies must be red, at least during the course of a player - player combat
Consequences: [insert here]
Notes: [insert here]
Admin Link to Report
COMPLETE SERVER RULES
If you feel that this sanction is unfair, send a private message with visual evidence to the poster of this sanction report and we will consider a repeal. PM's without due visual evidence, or those asking for leniency due to a "first offense" or "not knowing the rules" will be deleted without exception.
Perhaps... perhaps not. I just wanted to elaborate on what was being proposed.
Bro, things don't change here. You adapt or you leave. I'm mostly done playing. Sure, this isn't constructive, I just felt like telling you the truth no one else wanted to tell.
' Wrote:Bro, things don't change here. You adapt or you leave. I'm mostly done playing. Sure, this isn't constructive, I just felt like telling you the truth no one else wanted to tell.
Ah, I believe that this post carries the stench of irrelevance. Believe me, I know that reek well.
Yes, they do change. They've changed so much since i've joined the community, and I expect they'll keep changing. For example, the nature of RP has changed from uberpowerful hyperbeings and superpowered megapeople to quiet and believable stories about the natural and supernatural, or simply the life of a normal person.
It doesn't suprise me that Connor is the only one actually coming around to my way of thinking here. And I agree with him on the Xoria issue. Xoria, if you are deleting messages that are related to sanctions that is a major set back in regard to rule following. If someone has a personal problem that relates to their behavior/language/anything on Disco and doesn't want to discuss this publicly, then how can they do it if you delete the message?
Connor has the right idea here. What I'm doing in this thread is asking this community to, atleast, politely enquire about their sanction. I've seen one post today which completely insulted one admin and the faction he flies for. It's not on. It turns the thread into a "Let's all throw rotten veg at the admin" thread. It's unrespectful, undeserved and completely immature. I think Blunt put it best: Manners good, bitching bad.
I've had more than one person tell me that they're glad to have me back because the forums are full of 'pretentious pr***s'. I've got to say that that statement is largely true from what I've seen. Egos are flying all over the place here. Well I am back now, and my ego is ridiculusly large and I know how to use it. Fight fire with fire, and all that jazz.
Id like to say that Axe as usual has the right idea, and that Asympotic, to echo McNeo, when he and I started playing here things were alot different, some things better some worse, Id say since it was smaller more contact with the admins on a person to person basis so therefore more respect for them.
Also, kvetch and complain all you want, just keep it civil.
(avoid condescending tone though, unlike a certain player *Akumabito*
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Its not a question of forcing change but encouraging others to change their behaviour.
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Well I support that encouraging effort 100%, but if you say "oh the admins should accept PMs as a valid way of appealing a sanction" and then everyone hops on the bandwagon you're just making a problem worse, since that can only produce a negative reaction.
Perhaps a well-thought out PM with some valid points and no strawmen would do better, but then again if they delete their PMs, what's the point?
' Wrote:You can't post them PUBLICLY, but if there is a personal problem with one admin, there are others that can address it. That's one of the reasons why there are more than one.
You are unbelieveably naive if you think others are not viewing your sanction thread. That is a ridiculus statement.
You 'break' a rule and you want to contend it there is no difference between posting in a thread and sending a message. This is exactly my point right here. "I can't be arsed." The people fielding the sanctions deserve a better attitude from you than that.
There is a difference between "should" and "are". The only reason a non-involved person should view a sanction thread is to look for precedents and become more aware of the rules in-application.
The people fielding the sanction have said they want me to post in the thread. So, I post in the thread.
A malicious attitude should not be present. (Even though most times it is, and the reason behind the anger can be understood.)
' Wrote:(avoid condescending tone though, unlike a certain player *Akumabito*
:lol:(Considering you were the one calling him names. Eh.)