' Wrote:But any shader would be awesome. Even the renaming to Geneva. It would help us (me?) accept the fact that this thing is fiction and you used Switzerland as a reference to create an alternative thing to the game. Even if you leave there those references. I think not the idea or the thing what is bad but the fact that it tries to be an existing nation while other nations got redlamp.
Its just easier to accept thisway without becomin angry that others cannot fly eir own nations's colors.
The problem is even with a different name, people would still look on the Swiss background to it and say the same thing: you gave it a different name but it's New Switzerland. I think it's unavoidable even if I switched the name... which I think I might but this problem you've pointed out still persists.
Looking through this I am very intrigued, and very tempted to join. I've never really ventured into Gallia, and this group would be the perfect excuse while not getting caught up in the real drama 'llamas' of Gallian combat, to a point I suppose.
The Swiss are fascinating as is, now space Swiss? What's not to like?
Pop me a PM in the future, say end of May to remind me and I may join. No time right now though, sorry.
' Wrote:Looking through this I am very intrigued, and very tempted to join. I've never really ventured into Gallia, and this group would be the perfect excuse while not getting caught up in the real drama 'llamas' of Gallian combat, to a point I suppose.
The Swiss are fascinating as is, now space Swiss? What's not to like?
Pop me a PM in the future, say end of May to remind me and I may join. No time right now though, sorry.
Thanks for your interest. Any constructive criticism perhaps? This is far from being finished; what's presented here was only my initial take on it, it's something that needs to grow due to everyone's input.
I think this issue can be solved.
You shouldn't separate your people from Gallia simply because of they are originally Swiss. That is not good.
All people on sleeper ship were from France. I am sure there were not enough place on sleeper ship even for all French, so no chance to get there for outsiders.
But...
During the long war on the Earth between Coalition and Alliance, some of Swiss people emigrated to big neighbour - France. Radioactive fallout etc. (Current Switzerland have 4 official languages. French language use about 13% of Swiss people).
They fought against Coalition. Some of them become high rank Alliance officers. (Swiss are good fighters). Then it is natural, that some of them got place in the sleeper. After hundreds years form A.S those people were completely assimilated into Gallic nation.
People in Gallia were disappointed of King's government. They knew from history that some of them were from Switzerland, where was direct democracy. So they dreamed about such peaceful place with freedom and democracy.
As we know many Gallic people wanted this, some of them tried to fight against king (Council and the gang), but many of them didn't want to fight. There were many of them.
King wanted to stop this, but he couldn't simply jail or kill them all, so he gave up and let them build democracy in one of his unsettled systems.
There was one planet (Bern), where King started the terraforming process, and built to that a station on the orbit (Zurich). There was also one small factory in the cloud, which produced water from ice (Constance).
King knew already that terraforming process will fail because of the Red Dwarf star in this system is too weak and too far from the planet.
So the system was useless.
King said, he will help in terraforming planet Bern, and the system will be supported by Gallic government with food and all what people need.
But really he lied and he banned and jail all of them.
After all people, who wanted democracy, settled in system, GRN established Roches Border Post near the jumpgate to prevent people to go out of system. Only GRN, GRP and royal gallic corporations can pass through gate. King of course didnt support them. He locked them in this death system.
There were only ice in the Helvetia system. Many people died because of starvation, many died trying to break the blockade.
In desperation they checked every square meter and every rock in the system.
Finally they found jumphole to Languedoc and that saved them.
They are lawfuls gallic civilians in their system. They have autonomy. But they cannot go out of Helvetia, they cannot officially trade with Gallia. But they can smuggle. GRN hunt them outside of Helvetia, GRP ignore them, corporations work with them, as they are gallic civilians (IDF distributes Helvetic water around Gallia).
Helvetians established relationship with Council, but they don't fight openly with GRP. They are civilians and they are unfriendly to pirates and terrorists. Helvetians don't allow criminals to operate openly in their system. They don't want GRN to smash them because of that.
So, this is maybe silly and bad written, but I would like to show you, that this idea is interesting, and may be adjusted to discovery RP in many ways.
Btw. If you want I can make for you Helvetia system according to your recommendations.
' Wrote:I think this issue can be solved.
You shouldn't separate your people from Gallia simply because of they are originally Swiss. That is not good.
All people on sleeper ship were from France. I am sure there were not enough place on sleeper ship even for all French, so no chance to get there for outsiders.
But...
An interesting suggestion, but a democratic precedent like that for 'Gallic Citizens' would've removed the need for the Council, or would have heavily modified its purpose. Also, saying that those with Swiss heritage of some sort "forgot who they were and remembered" is kind of like saying that the Poles, Slovaks, Czechs, French, Danish, and some Norwegians of 1939-45 "forgot who they were" because they were displaced during the conflict.
I tried to dodge it, sort of, it in that the proportion of nominally "Swiss" people on board the sleeper ship was pitifully low; something like 1,000 out of 15,000. When they finally start to settle in, by necessity the two groups intermingle and have descendants. This in of itself would have erased Swiss and French and turned them into "Gallics" but the mere fact that Swiss colonists were included at all is a bit of an inspiration for at least part of a highly patriotic brand of people to maintain nominal independence. That they are making themselves distinct from the "Gallics" is the reason why King Charles III can shove them aside without granting Gallic citizens a democratic place of any stripe.
' Wrote:Do. Want.
If you ever make this faction official or unofficial, I'd be keen to join/help out with it.
' Wrote:Also, saying that those with Swiss heritage of some sort "forgot who they were and remembered" is kind of like saying that the Poles, Slovaks, Czechs, French, Danish, and some Norwegians of 1939-45 "forgot who they were" because they were displaced during the conflict.
I am not talking about 6 years of second world war, I am talking about 380 years period of time from A.S.
You are from US, so less than 300 years ago your ancients came to America from Europe. Are you able to say who they were? What do you think about yourself, are you English, Irish, French, German, Italian, Greek? I guess you are US citizen. To keep nationality, the Swiss people on sleeper ship had to be in the number of a few hundred thousand. I doubt they were in such amount.
Ok. I will be waiting how it will develop. we can discuss, somebody else will decide how much it is worth.
' Wrote:People In Charge Of Stuff are doing the work and the thinking, so us lower beings shall leave it to Them. I'm sure they all know what they're doing.
It looks like the idea was abandoned by the author.
Just for fun in my free time I did the system for it. It is mod for Discovery.
It is adjusted slightly comparing to the original idea.
The system has full populated bases, Helvetians NPCs, missions, bribes. Helvetians has own reputations towards gallic factions. You can see it in game.
The system is connected via jh with Lorraine.
You can install it via FLMM. New game starts on Planet Bern.